I'm hoping someone can help me out either with a pattern number or, confirmation of the shape and design of the vase on page 53 of Charles Hajdamach's 20th Century British Glass.
It is the vase on the left in the bottom right hand corner of the page.
The plate description says
'Plate 101. Vase, whisky tumbler and wine glass enamelled and gilt by Jules Barbe for Thomas Webb and Sons c.1901-10. The vase was a gift from Jules Barbe to his daughter who kindly donated it to the former Thomas Webb works museum. The whisky tumbler,in the 'cascade' moulded pattern, is Pattern no 25681 for 1901. Height of vase 4in. (10.2cm).'
I can normally find many of the references from that book online, but this one it nowhere to be found so I cannot show an online image I'm afraid.
My query is I can find the trailed decor( I mean the spiral glass trailing not the gilding) on this vase, I believe for Stuart, dated 1912 (I don't know if it appeared earlier, that is the earliest I have). But I haven't matched the shape of the vase to a Stuart shape as yet. The vase is captioned Thomas Webb, so did Webb also do the same 'spaced spiral trail winding tightly round the neck of the rim' decor?
I'm asking because I have two 'drop head dab tail' peacock eye style vases in the same gilded pattern, and I am sure they are by Jules Barbe (one detail is, the rose on the vase in the book is created in a specific way and my vases are done in exactly the same way, along with other things such as the very high quality of the gilding and that it matches the design on the vase in the book), but I think they were made for Stuart. I believe I have a pattern match for my vases.
I have found two other vases with this gilding that I also believe are Stuart but I cannot provide a definitive shape match at the moment. I'm waiting for a piece of information that might help with this.
Is it conceivable that Barbe would have provided the same pattern for both Stuart and Webb? I know he decorated for Stuart after 1901 when he had his own business.
Or is it conceivable that the vase on page 53 might be a Stuart vase perhaps?
The 'Drop head dabs' are applied in a very specific way on my vases. I think they are applied as a perfectly round 'pad' and then the trail is applied having been joined under the dab. They have a 'line shadow' in the glass on all of them. This is not an internal crack. It is where the trail was very neatly applied.
There is a bowl in the V&A that has a query over it's maker from what I read. It says the bowl was 1904 and originally given the name 'Dewdrop'. It was initially identified as Whitefriars apparently, but this was changed to say definitely not Whitefriar's might be Stuart. This bowl is very plain in design but has a number of these dab trails around it it, straight on, not 'drop head style'. They are applied in the same way and they have the same 'internal line shadow' on the dabs.http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O6709/dewdrop-finger-bowl-stuart-sons-ltd/
The other point is that the trails on the vase go right to the bottom, over the merese and then 'fold under it' ie. the foot is then applied. I have seen other vases that are Stuart that I believe have the same thing. But either I can't get close enough pictures to demonstrate for sure, or when I do have close pictures I can't give you a shape match and pattern number because my resources are limited - and irritatingly,although I do have about 30 - 40 or more designs that I believe I have Stuart pattern numbers for, they are not in them.
Thanks for any help or insight.