Ok, since Bernard has confirmed the vase in CH 20thC BG page 53 is a Stuart vase (given by Barbe to his daughter)
the summary so far is: Stuart vases with matched gilding to the Jules Barbe Stuart vase he gave to his daughter
= 5 plus this one
1) My vase x2 – link to photos – I believe Stuart and Jules Barbe gilding as pattern match to Stuart pattern in Harrods catalogue 1909 no CH18080 matched to a Stuart pattern number in the book of 18080 and gilding matched to that on Barbe vase given to his daughter (page 53 CH 20thcBritishGlass)http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,55750.msg316021.html#msg316021
2) AdamP’s vase x2 (this is one of a pair I believe from reading the thread) on another thread, same gilding as mine. Appears to be Stuart ref peacock eye and trails.
More pics needed and shape match to Stuart pattern number to confirmhttp://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5758.msg48891.html#msg48891
3) Vase x1 in Bristol Glass Museum, appears to have same gilding , peacock eye vase , att.Stuart.
Shape match needed to Stuart pattern number to confirmhttp://www.museum.bristolblueglass.com/footed-trumpet-vase-ca-1905/#.UwJqAdJdVJ1Update on other possible Barbe items in a similar vein, i.e. gilded on clear 'peacock eye type' vases, but not the same rose flower nor pattern:
There are two vases identified so far
2) Vase 312 on this Fieldings Sale March 2013 – id’d as Webb by Fieldings, possibly Stuart? poor photo so gilding not clear, shape appears to be Stuart, flower appears to be similar to that on sellingantiques vasehttp://fieldingsauctioneers.co.uk/auctions/print/56
In Cyril Manley's book Decorative Victorian Glass published 1988, on page 89 item number 243, he shows a peacock eye trailed bowl that appears
to have similar gilded decoration on it to the two vases noted just above:
My description of his bowl vase:
- It has 7 broad peacock eye and trails on it.
- Each have a green eye in the middle of a clear surround and the trails are also clear.
- The bowl is clear glass.
- It has a flat broad rim that, it appears, is slightly turned up on one side and slightly turned down on the opposing side.
- It has a gilded rim and a repeat pattern of clusters of gilding in between each of the peacock eyes (in a similar vein to the other Stuart vases listed above).
- The leaves are pointy and the flower is an open 5 petaled flower that looks as though it could be very similar to the one from SellingAntiques and the one from Fieldings (caveat - both of those very difficult to see clearly).
Manley says it is a Webb vase decorated by Jules Barbe for a friend of his:
I quote him 'This is one of a series of soda-lime bowls and vases produced in 1900 with "Cairngoram drops with green centres on flint". This is from Thomas Webb's records, and it is their spelling. The bowl was gilded by Jules Barbe and across the polished pontil is written 'July 11th 1907', but the space allocated for his signature is left vacant.'
Some comments/questions about this description from Manley and this bowl -
1) CH 20th Century British Glass page 37 says:
'In 1907 Webb's introduced coloured centres into the eye of their peacock trails to keep up with their competitors.'
Therefore although I think Manley's mention of 1900 is odd, this particular piece has a date written on it of 1907 and that does fit in with the year Webb's put coloured 'eyes' in their peacock trail pieces.
But if he is saying this was a piece made in 1900 by Thomas Webb's then that does not fit with the comment in CH 20th Century British Glass, because the eyes are coloured.
2) My next question is, is this vase a Webb vase? or could it be Stuart? It is difficult to see the shape as there is no profile picture but there is nothing about it, from my point of view, that says it couldn't be a Stuart vase/bowl. The maker needs to be clarified as there are many errors in the Manley book.
3) Of course, there is nothing to say that Barbe didn't do the same patterns on a variety of makers. From my reading it is clear that once he was independent he at the very least worked for Thomas Webb's, Stuart and also Stevens and Williams. However, in my personal opinion I think it is more likely he wouldn't have done that. (open to correction).
-Only a Stuart pattern match to my vase shape at the moment.
-I'm hoping Adam P will add more pictures but from the base pic of his vase available, the peacock eyes appear to be Stuart and the trailing up and around the rim he describes matches Stuart trailed vases. (no shape match as full picture of vase not available)
- Need a shape pattern confirmation for the Stuart vase in the Bristol Glass Museum
- Confirm whether the SellingAntiques vase is a Stuart vase and try and clarify whether the gilding matches the Manley bowl
- Confirm whether the Fieldings vase is a Stuart or Webb vase and try and clarify whether the gilding matches the Manley bowlOther Barbe vases:
I've not spotted any others that might be Barbe, apart from those mentioned so far (plus there are three, I think, signed pieces in museums, plus the Loving Cup at Broadfield House, plus two goblets shown in CH 20th Century British Glass for T Webb) however,
Manley shows 8 pieces on page 88 that he identifies as by Jules Barbe:
- One of which we have discussed here - item 243
- One which appears to have roses on, that seem (under a magnifying glass as pic very poor) to have been done in the same way as those on my vase.
Gilding pattern appears different and sparse though but I think this vase might be good to investigate further- item 246
The other pieces don't appear to have any similarities with the pieces being discussed on this thread. They are:
- A signed vase that I believe is the same as or the pair of a vase in the Corning Museum(the other might be in Broadfield House, I need to check this info) - item 245
- A Burmese flat rimmed bowl with enamelled roses on it - item 242
- Four other gilded on clear pieces - items 241, 244, 247, 248