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Author Topic: Cameo glass, acid etched - Ornamental shape of Turkish Coffee cup with lid  (Read 1308 times)

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It's too big to use, so I would think ornamental for shape only.  Acid etched cameo glass. I think the shape is that of a Turkish coffee cup with lid.
It's impeccably made - very top quality.

Each piece is very thick and heavy glass, the rim width is 5.5mm on the cup and the other pieces are the same.
The cup and lid together weigh 2lb or just under 1kg and the saucer weighs just under  1 1/4lb or 1/2 kg on it's own.
As a set it is 7 1/4" tall (18.5cm) with the plate determining the width of 6" (15.3cm).
 
The cup and lid are mold blown and cut at the rim, cut bevelled polished.
The saucer has a very large polished flat base.

So where was it made?  Is it Turkish glass?  (assuming Pasabahce? )or could it have been made by Moser for example?  As far as I know it's not old.  I estimate it could date between 1970s and now maybe but that's just an estimate.

The blue is not what I would call cobalt blue.  It's slightly off and not purply.
And can anyone help with the inscription please? I’m very grateful if anyone can.

I've added a second set of photos below :)
Thanks for looking
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more pics - the last photo shows the colour well just by daylight.

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http://www.pasabahcemagazalari.com/butik/koleksiyonlar/osmanli-koleksiyonu/k-71?&sayfa=1

I've been searching for this for a week  ::) It's taken me a while to work out how to search in Turkish
but I've found this finally.
Shape match so I feel sure it Pasabahce, but no decor match.  So not current production.
It appears to call the one I've linked to a sorbet cup.  So I wonder if this is a dessert cup rather than supposed to look like a coffee cup as I first wondered.
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'And can anyone help with the inscription please?'
 - ok don't worry I've sorted it.
I think this is a  signature called a 'Tugra'. 

I've also seen this described as a 'sherbert' cup and the sherbert apparently made from fruits/flowers etc.
The cup I linked to is named 'Has Oda Şerbet Bardağı' / Sherbet Cup

'In Ottoman culinary culture sherbet was a favourite
beverage at the palace and among ordinary people. Made
of many different fruits, flowers and spices, sherbet was
traditionally served to guests, particularly on special
occasions such as births and weddings.Serving sherbet
was as important as its preparation, and sherbet jugs and
cups made of silver, gold-plated copper and other precious
materials were used.
Has Oda Sherbet Cup was inspired by traditional
sherbet cups used at the Ottoman palaces. The floral
motifs on the cup are those used in the Has Oda at
Topkapı Palace.
Has Oda Sherbet Cup is handmade from glass, and all
the relief designs are gilded by hand with 24 carat gold
and decorated with glass paint'

Source: Pasabahce Magazalari  Limited Edition catalogue Osmanlı Koleksiyonu

They did produce a limited edition collection called Blue and White on Glass.  From what I could see, these were blue overlay on an opal glass body. They were inspired by blue and white antique ceramics.

Mine is blue overlay on clear glass although the background has been acid etched. There are no collections that I have found in their catalogues so far, that are the same as mine.
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Actually "has oda" is sick room - so it is a sorbet cup for use in the sick room.  Definitely Pasabahce, and of relatively recent produce.

The seal is of one of the sultans - each sultan had his own and therefore it points at a (style) period.

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Hi Ivo
I think we crossed posts :)
I've found their description of the cup now (see above - it doesn't mention sick room- perhaps the translation could mean something else)
I've looked at various Tugras and cannot see one that matches this. 
I will pm you if I may.
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just to add
Wikipedia gives the correct description of 'Has Oda'  in their page about Topkapi Palace - it is the Hall of the Privy Chamber :) (excerpt below)

Sorry, it's taken me a while to work that out, I also initially though it meant sick room but then thought it couldn't be, so did some more trawling and investigating.  I'm glad it isn't to do with the sick room  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topkap%C4%B1_Palace
Third Courtyard[edit]


The Third Courtyard, depiction from the Hünername in 1584
Beyond the Gate of Felicity is the Third Courtyard (III. Avlu), also called the Inner Palace (Enderûn Avlusu), which is the heart of the palace, where the sultan spent his days outside the harem.[55] It is a lush garden surrounded by the Hall of the Privy Chamber (Has Oda) occupied by the palace officials, the treasury (which contains some of the most important treasures of the Ottoman age, including the Ottoman miniatures, the Sacred Trusts), the Harem and some pavilions, with the library of Ahmed III in the center. Entry to the Third Courtyard was strictly regulated and off-limits to outsiders.

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