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Offline LesBeatiques

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ID help - small sulphide bust of bearded military figure
« on: July 16, 2014, 03:53:54 PM »
Yes, another sulphide.

This piece is on the small side roughly 2-1/8" diameter and 1-1/2" tall. It rests on a flat semi-polished base. The sulphide itself is rather crude and lacks the detail found in antique french examples. There are no markings to be found. The size, quality and iron cross on the lapel indicate to me possible Bohemian origin but I'd live to hear your opinion.

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Eric

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Re: ID help - small sulphide bust of bearded military figure
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2014, 05:23:05 PM »
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Hi.  I wonder if it is Lajos Kossuth, Governor of Hungary?  It is not the common version, but I know there is at least one other sulphide (but cannot find an image).  I think some of the Kossuth were NEGC, but they may be some Bohemian too.

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Re: ID help - small sulphide bust of bearded military figure
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2014, 07:48:53 PM »
I was thinking the same.  Here is the image of Kossuth.  Current thinking is that it was not made by NEGC, but we don't know who made it.  There may have been more than one glass company that made them as there is some variation in quality.

http://paperweights.com/paperweights/pw2228sm.jpg

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Re: ID help - small sulphide bust of bearded military figure
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2014, 08:12:27 AM »
Hello,

a more detailed Blowup picture of the medal (and the collar insignia if there are any) could shed some light
on the army in which this gentleman was serving...
If there are three stars on the collar, then it is no doubt a US General-
but who? - Confederate or Union? You will have to browse a lot of Portraits...
There are some Pairpoint (end 19th Cent.) sulphides around, showing Secession War Generals,

for the medal, there is the Kearny Cross (straight arms), which can be a hint,
the Iron Cross has curved arms, hope this helps,
Kind regards, Erhard
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Re: ID help - small sulphide bust of bearded military figure
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2014, 06:46:38 PM »
Looks sort of like Robert E Lee.

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Re: ID help - small sulphide bust of bearded military figure
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2014, 05:28:50 PM »
Thanks for all the interesting leads I never thought that this could be American in origin - I'll see what I can dig up.

Resco - it does kind of look like Robert E. Lee but the attire just doesn't match-up.

Erhard - Attached are some more detailed photos.

I'm now wondering if this could be German Emperor Frederick III?

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Re: ID help - small sulphide bust of bearded military figure
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2014, 11:48:54 AM »
Hi everybody,
thanks a lot for the interesting Detail pictures- now there are two
decorations, the upper really Looks like the Iron Cross (which is worn around the neck
and hanging down the collar - the other one is an 8 pointed star beneath the sash, now also visible...

Very good idea- I agree the portrait is very similar to Frederic III of Prussia-
and indeed- there is a painting by A. von Werner, showing the Emperor in the same pose,
and with the iron cross and the  lower medal visible- here is the Weblink to the painting:

http://www.damals.de/img/damals_heftthemen/dam0313fri02.jpg

in case this wont work I attach a screenshot, Kind regards Erhard
[ Mod ... in keeping with Board policy on copyright issues, the screenshot image has been removed. The link above is fine.]

p.s. So this would sort out Bohemia(which was part of Austro-Hungarian Empire),
and confirm a Prussian (German Reich) origin
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Re: ID help - small sulphide bust of bearded military figure
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2014, 03:53:23 PM »
Thank you for all the impute.  I was using other images to make my conclusions but the portrait above is an even better likeness. 

Many thanks,
Eric

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