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Pink satin glass vase... ID = Sowerby 2437 drape vase

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Bernard C:

--- Quote from: "Anne, in a different topic," ---Someone on eBay has listed what looks like the same vase as my pink one, except they have a pair and a bowl + figurine... would they have been sold as a set does anyone know, or is it that someone has collected them as such?

Thanks for any thoughts.
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Ah, Anne, you have hit upon the age-old chestnut - When is a garniture not a garniture?

On the British market I have seen sufficient of the 2565? flared and unplinthed version of the "log lady" floating bowl set garnished with a pair of matching 2437s to be confident that they were retailed together.   The question then is does this make them a garniture set.   I think it does, as it is an accepted combination found regularly.   However, a purist might argue that it has to appear in company literature or be obviously a garniture (like many Art Deco marble clock garnitures) before that epithet can be formally applied.

You then get stages in between, such as:
Exhibited as a garniture and informally sold as such,
A successful marketing approach by one or more of Sowerby's sales reps,
A successful sales technique by one or more major retailers.
I notice that auction houses such as Sotheby's get around the problem by just describing the set as X accompanied by a matching pair of Y.

1. Glen kindly confirmed on this board some time ago that the two versions of the bowl are from different moulds, hence my query on the pattern number, which may only apply to the upright sided plinthed version.
2. Beware of overextrapolating from scarce material.   For example, Bagley's PG advertisement of 1st February 1936 shows a 1333 clock flanked by a pair of 3013 vases.   Some might interpret this as a garniture combination.   However I have never seen this set for sale, and I believe that the display shown in the photograph was just an attractive layout by the advertisement designer, nothing more than that.   More recently the 1993 Shipley exhibition souvenir showed Davidson sets on Bagley and Sowerby plinths.   That demonstrates nothing other than a shameful error by museum professionals, who should have noticed and corrected it before publication!

Bernard C.  8)

Ahhh right, thank you Bernard for your explanation. I think I'm clear with this now. I shall keep on looking for more pieces like those in the picture to add to the one I have, then I can have a garniture (what a lovely word!) too.

Incidentally, I bought another small pink vase yesterday which I think is Sowerby - there is one that I think is the same in uranium glass pictured on the 1st Glassman site. I'll try and post a photo of the new one for comparison.

I have always been under the impression that, a garniture was simply a display of a set of 3, 5 or 7 items.  The combination, two and one (say a pair of candlesticks flanking a vase)  two, two, and one (candlestick, vase, jar, vase candlestick) and so on.  So long as the display is in balance, all objects were of the same style or pattern, it could be considered a garniture.  (Under my definition, two flow blue plates in the Amoy pattern displayed flanking an Amoy platter would be a garniture.)
Now, if I understand correctly, glass can not be considered a true garniture unless it was sold specifically as a set, and that the glass "garniture" might even contain an even number of items.

I learn something new every day.  Now if I could only remember the half of it.

Bernard C:

I am merely passing on the specific usage of the term garniture amongst glass collectors and dealers here in the UK.   As it is a fairly rare term here, its use probably varies around the world. I have never seen it used here for other than one main item garnished by a pair of others, except in one peculiar instance of four vases cited in Miller's Glass Buyer's Guide, p.254, where I suppose you could think of it as a pair of large vases garnished by a pair of smaller ones.

Some distinction has to be made between garnitures originally sold as such, and today's offerings of the more imaginative mix-and-match merchants.

Whatever the garnished glass object, a British garnishment is invariably a pair of either smaller or less elaborate versions of it, or vases, or candlesticks.   The most eclectic British garniture I have found is a 1930s Walsh crackle fish garnished by a pair of tall Venetian-style candlesticks with applied pincerwork decorated onamental handles, probably a frigger.   The most desirable standard production pressed glass garniture would be a 1930s Bagley 334 vase garnished by a pair of 334 side vases, complete with their flower holders.    Probably just wishful thinking with such rarities.

Bernard C.  8)

I'm really puzzled by the pink vases on eBay again now...  I contacted the seller and asked if she knew the maker/date for the vases and the bowl, and her response was that it was..."it was something from cadbury roses Anniversary", I don't know if she meant it all, or just the bowl. I'll have to ask some more.


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