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Offline bat20

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Old French weight?
« on: September 03, 2014, 12:38:53 PM »
 Hi all,althought this weight has a line across the top and bottom i couldn't leave without it and it was only £2.50,it has alot of wear around the outer edge of the base,any thoughts many thanks.

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Re: Old French weight?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2014, 01:06:27 PM »
It is not French but it is a very nice old Chinese weight, early 20th century I would say. When Alan (Mr Tropdevin) comes on the board he will tell you more about it. He has written about and is still researching these early Chinese weights and has quite a collection of them.

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Re: Old French weight?
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2014, 01:16:25 PM »
Thanks Sophie,i couldn't work it out with a few canes i thought were a bit like Clichy and then reading they normally have a coloured ground,old Chinese makes sense now .

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Re: Old French weight?
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2014, 03:41:21 PM »
Here's a better photo i hope.

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Re: Old French weight?
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2014, 03:59:31 PM »
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Hi.  It is a typical early Chinese piece.  Evangeline Bergstrom records acquriring a couple around 1937, and a very similar one is in the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, being donated in 1930 - and presumably not a brand new piece then.  I am writing an article about these, which will be in the next PCC Newsletter.

Below is an image of a few from our collection.

Regarding Clichy paperweights, colour grounds are quite rare.  The commonest Clichy paperweights are probably miniature / small spaced concentrics in clear glass, often with a rose cane and or edelweiss canes, and other millefiori canes of higher quality than the Chinese ones.  The domes are higher than the Chinese, and they are made of lead glass, rather than soda-lime glass.

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Re: Old French weight?
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2014, 04:10:37 PM »
Very nice Alan,i know what to look out for now and i'll certainly read the article.

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Re: Old French weight?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2014, 02:46:40 AM »
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It is a typical early Chinese piece.  Evangeline Bergstrom records acquriring a couple around 1937, and a very similar one is in the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, being donated in 1930 - and presumably not a brand new piece then.
Alan, are you saying that you looked at the museum records and the Bergstrom and MOMA records include pictures of this style and not the more generic Chinese weights.  As you know, we disagree on the origin, as I believe these originated either in the US or Europe and not China.  A photograph from the Bergstrom or MOMA records would point me to a new area of research. 
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Re: Old French weight?
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2014, 06:27:48 AM »
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Hi Allan.

It is not in MOMA - it is in the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York.  Here is the link to the item: http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-collection-online/search/5517

The two in Evangeline Bergstrom's collection are illustrated on plate 62 of Evelyn Campbell Cloak's book, and are items 37 and 56 of the collection.  She calls them both Chinese, and dates them to 1925 - 1935, but with ho hard evidence.

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Re: Old French weight?
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2014, 01:17:15 PM »
Thanks.  One of the challenges with museum records is who made the attribution and on what basis.  But it is good to have early records like those.  I look forward to your article.
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