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Author Topic: Lead Crystal trinket set - flashed or cut to clear  (Read 2177 times)

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Offline Anne E.B.

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Lead Crystal trinket set - flashed or cut to clear
« on: September 04, 2014, 02:12:25 PM »
Any ideas who might have made this please?  Its quite lovely and well made. Unfortunately the labels are import labels just showing that it is 'foreign' (shown below), so not much help.
It might be French or Czech, but so far I've been unable to find a match.  I don't think it is Val Saint Lambert, and I've had a look through glassmusterbuch.de without success.
Thanks for looking :)
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Re: Lead Crystal trinket set - flashed or cut to clear
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2014, 07:46:12 PM »
Hi Anne! I have a note in my ref files that this is thought to be Czech (no idea which maker though yet) and I also have a ref image of the same set which has the RD no. 876834 on it - as this is beyond the numbers included in the Blue Book and Great-Glass lists, we may need to ask if Paul would look it up for us on a future visit to the Nat. Archives at Kew.  I'm assuming yours don't have the RD no on them?

Editing to add (after a mooch through the Nat. Archives catalogue) NA ref and date covered...
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Reference:   BT 52/7932
Registered Design Numbers: 876738-877038
Date:    1955 Mar-Apr

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Re: Lead Crystal trinket set - flashed or cut to clear
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2014, 08:36:03 AM »
Many thanks 't'other Anne :)
I've had a good look, but no RD no.
I'll keep looking to see if I can pin it down some.  Please feel free to add the images to your website if they are of any use.
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Re: Lead Crystal trinket set - flashed or cut to clear
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2014, 04:23:29 PM »
Here is another set in the same pattern, this time with the addition of a pin dish.

I also have photos of a part set in the same pattern, also with a pin dish.

Neither of these sets had a registered design number.

Does anyone have photos to show of sets in this pattern flashed in amethyst, ruby or other colours, please?

Fred.

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Re: Lead Crystal trinket set - flashed or cut to clear
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2014, 05:28:17 PM »
Different designs flashed in amber or blue with 9 piece sets appear in 1930/32 Hill Ouston catalogues, I have some 50s ones too so might even find this set. Not reached them yet. Label looks a bit like the ones they used.

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Re: Lead Crystal trinket set - flashed or cut to clear
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2015, 10:30:26 AM »
better late than never, perhaps*:) happy

You will see from the Archive pix Anne that this set had the addition of a pin tray plus different sticks to those you are showing, and the main tray plus pin tray appear to be opaque, so perhaps ceramic rather than glass - think I've seen this before where prototypes are made in china or earthenware.             The pattern on the original tray looks to have been on the underside only.
However, your pieces seem to match, pattern and colour wise, so assume the set was made with at least some variations in design.

There will be one additional picture on the next page.

Not sure why each shape within the set has been given a separate Rd. No. - perhaps that was the standard way of registering trinket sets.
Kew reference for the Representations Book is BT 52/7932, and the full Rd. Nos. are 876833, 34, 35 and 36 as shown in the pix.
Forgot completely to look in the Register Book to see details of the Registrant and date of Registration, although this will probably not give name of manufacturer, just the importer or U.K. agent  -  will look again for these details when next I visit.

anyway hope of some interest - surprised me to some extent that such sets were still being made in the mid 1950's.

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Re: Lead Crystal trinket set - flashed or cut to clear
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2015, 10:31:24 AM »
final picture showing pin tray.

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Re: Lead Crystal trinket set - flashed or cut to clear
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2015, 02:27:35 PM »
Paul, thank you, that is extremely useful, and if you could check the Register Book I should be most grateful. :) 

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Re: Lead Crystal trinket set - flashed or cut to clear
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2015, 03:39:40 PM »
I have just found a reference picture I have of this tray and matching pin tray in plain clear glass (no flashing).  It was an eBay sale ages back so I can't add the pic here.  It had a non-matching pot and candlesticks (they are Rosice I think. <--- corrected: they are Ernst Buder LINK.)

I did wonder if the flashed set might be another of the Ernst Buder sets, as they certainly made flashed sets such as these and clear versions of the same.  It's not shown in the catalogue I've seen though.

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Re: Lead Crystal trinket set - flashed or cut to clear
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2015, 04:17:22 PM »
A Czech origin does look to be likely  -  apparently these amber-coloured flashed parts are created by painting with silver nitrate and then heating, and there certainly were some Czech. sets like this one.                 Was Ernst Buder Czech do we know??

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