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« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2006, 09:35:59 PM »
Thanks Robbo.

That's definitely a Chance shape and I also have one of these dishes, where the gilt does overlap a smidge. The edge on mine's definitely wayward though – sometimes bevelled, sometimes flat!

So the overlap might not be significant then. I'm rather thankful in a way as I have a perfectly flat cake platter with three applied feet that must be the only item that's not slumped. Trouble is, the swirls are the 'wrong' direction and the spiral arms don't meet the edge. Grief, I wish I could find some consistency... pass the Valium, dear...
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« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2006, 09:58:03 PM »
I'm sure with something that was in production for that long there is likely to be either unintended "mistakes" or deliberate "tweaks" to the design.
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« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2006, 02:26:01 AM »
Robbo, thank you for the Jackson extract - that helps a great  deal and explains why we see Swirl attributed to Margaret Casson even though there is no actual evidence for this in the book (or that I can find elsewhere and believe me I've searched!  :roll: )

I'd love to know what her source was for the attribution of Green Leaves and Night Sky - I can believe those are by the same designer as there are stylistic similiarities but to be sure we need primary evidence. More searching needed.  8)


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« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2006, 07:36:36 AM »
:D :D :D

I've rooted around a bit, and found a Calypto rectangular dish, (3.25" x 8.5"). The gilding is very worn, there is no bevelling but there are a couple of patches of gilding overlapping onto the side a little, where there is less wear. Just looks as if a paintbrush went over a bit.
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« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2006, 07:40:50 AM »
I have a few examples like this myself. My original thought was, though, that were it looks deliberate and fairly deep, it only seems to appear on 'Swirl' examples. I have other non-Chance examples where the gilt overlap is quite pronounced (2-3mm), which is my thinking behind this.
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« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2006, 09:05:07 AM »
My Night Sky definitely has overlap :shock: I think the flowers were easier :shock:


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« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2006, 11:08:43 PM »
As an update, I'm no closer to pinning down the Swirl imitators. So not really an update then :roll:

I even managed to purchase four diamond shaped dishes that I was convinced were Chance, except the gilt overlaps. Tony Cartwright informed me that this shouldn't appear on Fiestaware, but I am finding a few examples: like Christine's Night Sky – any Chance of a close-up piccy, please? :wink:

Not sure what the answer is, but perhaps the lady who did this job — I believe her name was Catherine O'Driscoll (dec.) — was on holiday at the time and some cack-handed apprentice was doing the job! 8)
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« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2006, 12:46:20 PM »
Here's an example by what I mean by overlap. A small amount is probably not significant.

 :shock: click to zoom :shock:
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10058/thumb_swirl-overlap.jpg)

The above example overlaps at the tip by 3mm and down the far edge by 2mm, so is quite pronounced. However, this is not evident on the underside. The ruby Swirl plate is quite worn, but I can note some overlap on this as well, so the overlapping might be a little misleading.

I also note one 'Swirl' dish listed on eBay that has a fluted rim similar to yours Christine, so I might purchase this to see for myself any further oddities that might be apparent.
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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2006, 03:31:30 PM »
Night Sky overlapping edges. The overlap is on all 7 plates and is 1 to 1.5 mm. Click o enlarge

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« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2006, 10:57:19 PM »
Thanks for the excellent photos: yes, I think this pretty much does confirm that overlapping did take place.

The doubts occured because Tony Cartwright is adamant this practice didn't happen, but as he started at Chance in 1959 (Night Sky = 1957) I can only assume it was a practice they changed c.1960 so any earlier Swirl might show this. I'll give him a call and see what he says - he has looked at this debate once before.

The other problem is the reverse Swirl, but if it's a silk-screen printed version then it is possible to reverse the screen. That's my only contribution so far to this problem.

I'm breathing a little easier now! :)
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