Topic: Help please with Mdina Chalice signature........

[flying free]

But having those words does not prove it is a genuine period signature, nor does it (on current evidence), or the photo, prove that Ettore made your Chalice. 
Is it diamond engraved by the way?

Lovely photo and thanks for generously sharing it

m

[Patrick]

Hi 'm',

I am not saying Ettore made it just that he might have signed it for a customer that wanted to buy it with a signature. He may have been the only available person that was capable of doing it on that day.

It is diamond engraved as per the early signatures...........

I am glad I found the pic.

Patrick .

[Baked_Beans]

I think the 'Mdina Glass Malta' looks very ,very similar to the one Sue posted above....look at the G on glass and especially the way the two S's have been joined (and written, I think it's a match) ....I think your idea of showing it or both these photos to a  handwriting specialist is a good one Patrick . The signature looks different though...Thanks for the superb photo 

[glassobsessed]

I am not saying Ettore made it just that he might have signed it for a customer that wanted to buy it with a signature. He may have been the only available person that was capable of doing it on that day.

Perfectly possible Patrick, been thinking about this on and off half the day (with most of it spent up to my arms in paint stripper and gungy varnish mix). Some of the wonkiness of the signature could be explained if the engraver was not experienced with engraving.

Have you contacted Ron Wheeler (Artius Glass)? He might have access to info that could help. If you are going to the National bring it along to show, nothing beats actually handling an item to get an impression, photos can only go so far.

John

[Patrick]

Hi John,
 Your suggestion to show the chalice to Ron Wheller sounds like a good idea.............. I will take it to the National Glass Fair and see what he thinks.
 If you are going I would be happy for you or anyone else to view it , maybe by leaving it with Wolf Rayner who will be selling at the fair.

 Regards,
                  Patrick.

[glassobsessed]

That would work Patrick, I will look forward to seeing it.

[WhatHo!]

Im no handwriting expert but I have compared the 'Mdina Glass Malta' part of the signature and the way the letters are formed is extremely similar to known examples.
Looking at this my personal feeling is that this has not been faked as possibly suggested and if it has it has been done its been done by an expert, imho it is just too accurate.
And if an someone has gone to the trouble to get this very accurate why are other bits not accurate? Why is not written on the edge of the rim and why is it not signed with what would make it most valuable ie 'Michael Harris'?
I think the 'Mdina Glass Malta' is of period and the sig has possibly done by Ettore because that what looks like it reads.

[Patrick]

Hi,
 These questions I am going to ask are slightly off topic but are ones that it would be great to have answered please....

Are there any known trailed knopped chalices with a Malta Decorative Glass label..... ?

Also has anyone an image of what could be a MDG trailed knopped chalice.

Thanks in advance,

                         Patrick.

[chopin-liszt]

The only thing that I have that might be an MDG chalice is un-knopped, but it could also have been made at Mdina, un-knopped.
It's in the group photo I posted.
I have not seen any other potential MDG chalice, and certainly none with labels.

I know of perhaps another two attenuated bottles to the one I have, (there's one illustrated on Worthpoint) I have the only lollipop I've seen and the only tricorn bowl I've seen.

[Patrick]

Hi,
 I have just revisited this topic and can say the signature is not 'Ettore'...........

This has been confirmed by his sister .

Best wishes,

Patrick.