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Offline David E

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Re: Stevens & Williams - the Royal Brierley Crystal brand name
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2016, 01:32:52 PM »
Very interesting - I missed this first time around. So it looks as though English Heritage (1926) is right?

There are several potteries with 'Royal' prefixing a company or brand-name. A company name prefixed Royal is prohibited under the Company, Limited Liability Partnerships and Business Names (Sensitive Words and Expressions) Regulations 2014 and would need a Royal warrant (or whatever). Other prohibited names are; King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Duke, Duchess, His/Her Majesty, and Windsor and "... you must seek permission from the Cabinet Office in London, the Scottish Government in Edinburgh, or the Welsh Assembly Government in Cardiff, depending in which UK jurisdiction your business is registered."1

Dang, there goes 'Royal Cortex Design'...  ;D

1 Source: https://www.rapidformations.co.uk/blog/sensitive-words-and-expressions-in-company-names/
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Re: Stevens & Williams - the Royal Brierley Crystal brand name
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2016, 02:02:33 PM »
Yes, the English Heritage information appears to be correct, as does the comment in CH 20th Century British Glass (both quotes shown below for completion). 
And we now have an example of c.1927 for the date the brand name Royal Brierley Crystal was used on a vase (etched on to vase).



As quoted at the beginning of this thread:
'According to this information from source - English Heritage:
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-488295-royal-brierley-crystal-works-

it states within that information  that
 'The patent for "Royal Brierley Crystal" was taken out in 1926 and subsequently became the company's brand name.'
So we have a date that they took out the patent for the brand name. 
However it doesn't give information as to what date that brand name started being used.

'HISTORY: During the late 19th century, Stevens and Williams became renowned for the quality of their engraving, in particular intaglio work, on crystal ware. In 1919 the company were awarded a Royal Warrant by King George V, and the works were visited by the Duke and Duchess of York, who later became King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, in June 1925. The patent for "Royal Brierley Crystal" was taken out in 1926 and subsequently became the company's brand name.''

And from CH 20th Century British Glass as quoted previously in this thread:
'Page 151 ...
'The brand name 'Royal Brierley Crystal' was adopted by Stevens and Williams in the 1920s who saw their glass as a royal product.'




Not that it matters but I'm idly wondering if these trademarks as commented by Christine earlier in the thread (see quote below), were trademarked for the use of capital letters for the name as well as just using capitals at the beginning of each word?  otherwise someone else might appropriate the name using all capital letters.  Is that how these things work?

'According to the Intellectual Property Office, ROYAL BRIERLEY CRYSTAL was trademarked in 1967 and was owned by Royal Brierley Crystal Limited

(Royal Brierley CRYSTAL was trademarked in 1988 by Dartington Crystal (Torrington) Limited who also trademarked ROYAL BRiERLEY in 2006)'

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Re: Stevens & Williams - the Royal Brierley Crystal brand name
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2016, 02:09:03 PM »
However, this is termed 'brand-name' and not the company name, so S&W should be used until the name was changed to RBC. 1967 as per Christine's post, or 1985 as per the original post?
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Re: Stevens & Williams - the Royal Brierley Crystal brand name
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2016, 02:14:32 PM »
Stevens and Williams (Stevens and Williams Ltd to be exact and to avoid confusion with the earlier period where the name of the company was Stevens and Williams) should be used until 28 May 1985. 

(The use of the S&W name whether with or without the Ltd on the end, would depend on when the product was made.  However there is a period between January 1903 and January 1920 where the name changed from Stevens and Williams to Stevens and Williams Ltd. and that date has not been established on this other thread yet).

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,58263.msg330146.html#msg330146
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Edited to add information from previous thread :

'In summary I believe this is the chain of events and correct names for the company by date so far:



1740              - Brierley Hill Glass Works      - a glassworks founded in c1740
1846              - Stevens & Williams                   - Were a partnership formed who owned the glassworks
                                                                           called Brierley Hill Glass Works               
1903              - Stevens & Williams                  - We know this was still the company name at the point of 30th January 1903
                 

1903-1920    - Stevens & Williams/      - At some date between 30 January 1903 and 2nd January 1920 the Stevens & Williams company
             Stevens & Williams Ltd                  became Stevens & Williams Ltd
                                                                    - Date still to be determined   
                                       
1920-1930    - Stevens & Williams Ltd   - The company was called this between 2nd January 1920 and 1930 (Source London Gazette )
               
1931              - Stevens & Williams Ltd  - We know the company was called this on 11 September 1931 
                                                                On 11 September 1931 that company trading as Stevens & Williams Ltd was formally wound up
               
1931-1985    - Stevens & Williams Ltd   - The company was registered as this name between 18 September 1931 and 28 May 1985
                                                                        (note - this is not an error, the company was wound up and renamed as the same name)
                                                                 
1985-2000    - Royal Brierley Crystal Limited - Between 28 May 1985 and 11 Dec 2000 the company was renamed Royal Brierley Crystal
                                                              Limited
2000-2008    - Rbc Realisations Limited        - Between 11 Dec 2000 and 19 February 2008 the Company was renamed Rbc Realisations
                                                                          Limited
                       

Therefore:                     
- whether or not a product was made under a product range that Stevens & Williams had denoted as the range 'Royal Brierley Crystal' is irrelevant for the purposes of correctly identifying their wares from 1846 until 28th May 1985
as
- all products produced by Stevens and Williams from 1846 up until 28th May 1985 can legitimately be referred to as:

      'A Stevens & Williams (insert range name or just insert item name if range name not known)' .'

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Re: Stevens & Williams - the Royal Brierley Crystal brand name
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2016, 05:52:18 PM »
Thought I'd add a little of what I picked up recently, 'Epsom Enterprises' ran RBC from around 1999 then went into receivership 1999-2000 and re started in 2002 by Tim Westbrook and associates until they sold out to Dartington in 2005, info' from Tim Westbrook, two years research, think I've enough for a book yet ? ::) ;D ;D

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Re: Stevens & Williams - the Royal Brierley Crystal brand name
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2016, 01:09:28 AM »
I don't know if it helps or not, but there is a bit more info from the London Gazette:

7th June 1918 Supplement 30730, page 6713 (King's Birthday Honours List)
Joseph Silvers Williams-Thomas, Esq., J.P.; Chairman, British Flint Glass Manufacturers' Association, Limited; Chairman, Messrs. Stevens & Williams, Limited.

This entry states Stevens and Williams Limited and pre-dates M's previously earliest 1920 Limited status evidence.

And to take it back even further, in the Kelly's PO Directory for London 1914 (page 1658) is the following entry under Glass Manufacturers:
Stevens and Williams Limited, 57 Holborn Viaduct, EC

This will be their London showroom, but the fact that it has the Limited name is helpful!

I'll keep rummaging in my reference materials and see what else I can turn up for you...   :D






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Re: Stevens & Williams - the Royal Brierley Crystal brand name
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2016, 08:37:36 AM »
Thank you Anne  :D

If we narrow that date down, it completes that list.

I've become quite frustrated at the lack of documentation of S&W products in the public domain. 

Thank you Keith.  At some point once we have a final date on this part, it would be good to tie the two threads together with a link so that both parts of the information you have added are on both :)

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