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Offline keith

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Possible Webb 'honeycomb' ?
« on: December 20, 2014, 02:19:46 PM »
4.5 inches high, no marks and light in weight, ;D

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Re: Possible Webb 'honeycomb' ?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2014, 04:16:12 PM »
Looks like conifer Keith.
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Re: Possible Webb 'honeycomb' ?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2014, 06:54:33 PM »
That's what I was about to change, ::) must be getting old!

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Re: Possible Webb 'honeycomb' ?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2014, 01:38:30 AM »
Ooohh I have one of those too, and have always wondered who made it! Mine went very cloudy after going through the dishwasher (accidentally! - see pic!!!) and then came back clear again after I used it for pineapple juice!
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Re: Possible Webb 'honeycomb' ?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2014, 09:20:20 AM »
sorry - having a senior moment, or several.         I was doubting that it is conifer, and thought for a moment it might be Water Wave  -  but think Chris is probably right with Fircone (which assume is same as conifer).
But still bit confused. :-\

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Re: Possible Webb 'honeycomb' ?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2014, 07:10:51 PM »
Oooh Paul, I wonder if my amber ones are water wave? They are the same size, shape and weight as the clear one, but with a different pattern...  it's not easy to see the design on the first 3 pics so I slid a piece of white paper in for the 4th one and it does show up the ripples quite well!
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Re: Possible Webb 'honeycomb' ?
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2014, 08:01:58 PM »
hmmm  .........  my opinion is no, Anne  -  your vertical waves look too neat and symmetrical and don't appear to match Charles Hajdamach's reproduction of T/Webb's Water Wave.             On the other hand, there is another pattern in Charles Hajdamach - I've not seen in the flesh - which the factory called moire, and this has neatly spaced vertical waves more like your tumbler.             
Regarding Webb's optical surface effects, Mr. Hajdamach comments   "......Rough thumb-nail sketches of these effects, when applied, for example, in the making of tumblers, show the varied and extensive range of patterns, but it should be noted that such patterns can become very distorted when applied to a great variety of shapes"
 
He is presumably saying what most of us discover at some point, and that is the difficulty of differentiating some patterns when seen in the flesh.

In his book, the illustration of Water Wave appears to be a more random pattern than the tumbler you've just posted  -  so I think there is a good chance yours is Moire.
In fact the only two patterns with truly continuously vertical lines are Water and Moire.            Maybe the dip moulds became worn or the mould makers didn't stick very accurately to the drawings, plus it's not always easy to see pattern outlines on clear glass.

Would help if someone has a piece with positive id of Water that they might show.

Coming back to Honeycomb versus Fircone, the illustrations in Hajdamach are not too helpful in my opinion - at a quick look they appear very similar.
Perhaps we should add positively identified and known patterns to the Board's Thomas Webb shape and colour guide.

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Re: Possible Webb 'honeycomb' ?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2014, 08:09:38 PM »

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Re: Possible Webb 'honeycomb' ?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2014, 08:39:44 PM »
Thanks for the information, Paul. I must get a copy of Hajdamach!

Christine, thanks for the link, that's a gorgeous glass!
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Re: Possible Webb 'honeycomb' ?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2014, 10:16:26 PM »
I think Christine just wanted to show that glass again ;)

I don't entirely buy honeycomb being that small always  -  I believe some patterns are known to vary in size according to the size of the article, but it's good to be reminded of what quality honeycomb looks like.
I have bulls eye on a small glass and small finger bowl, and the blobs are definitely smaller than on larger pieces.
CH's comments about tumblers in particular having less refined definition of patterns does seem true, and I think some of the Webb's patterns must be rare - quite a few I've never seen.

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