Topic: 19th century opalescent plate with aventurine rim, English or Murano?

[glassobsessed]

This plate does not strike me as typically 19thC Murano, several small features seem at odds. I have been wondering if it could be Sowerby Venetian but images of so few examples are available for easy comparison. Cottle states in his book on Sowerby that both aventurine and trailing were used by Sowerby in their Venetian range.

Approximately 18cm (7") in diameter, fire polished pontil mark, 20 optic ribs (that do not show up all that well in these photos).

Those three features do not seem typically Murano (or Salviati) to me and neither does the blueish tint to the opalescence, any thoughts?

John

[flying free]

any chance of pictures on a white background please?
Just to see the 'colour' of the opalescent glass , thanks
Also might help with seeing the 'colour' and finish of the enamel glass rim around the edge - does it look old tin oxide ish?

edited - oops just realised you said the rim is aventurine glass trailed, not enamel.
m

[glassobsessed]

The problem with a white background is most detail is lost...

The trailed rim is aventurine.

[Ivo]

Looks like Salviati circa 1900 to me.  Who else could make an aventurine rim like that?

[glassobsessed]

Well, apparently Sowerby (they employed workers from Murano).

That was my first thought too Ivo but I can not recall seeing a bit of Salviati with a fire polished pontil mark.

[flying free]

A little bit of a side swerve here but on this link to Angela's glass museum page on Sowerby, can someone confirm that the jug 5th photo down on the left hand side is not actually Stevens and Williams Caerleon?  or is it firmly identified as Sowerby as it says in the article.  If so is there a source for this id please?  And the bowl on the right facing it with the lions head prunts? is there a firm id that is Sowerby as well?
Just curious

Many thanks
m

[glassobsessed]

I wondered about that being Caerleon too m.

[Lustrousstone]

Those two Sowerby attributions seem to require a bit of a leap of faith. What does Cottle say about lion masks?

[flying free]

Sowerby press moulded opalescent glass swan here showing they did opalescent pressed glass (just adding for future reference) - dated to 1879

http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O6910/swan-vase-sowerby-ellison-glassworks/

and a selection of opalescent glass here:

no source for the identification given in the article -
captioned:
'Selection of Venetian-style glass produced by Sowerby's Ellison Works, late 19th century. Shipley Art Gallery, Gateshead'

Article and photo from Tyne and Wear Archives and Museums blog.
http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/blog/culture-in-an-industrial-region/
http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Sowerby-Glass_05_Black-4.jpg

[Ivo]

The lion head prunts are from Venice and Murano Salviati I thought we discussed that and reached a conclusion years ago. And if you're looking for opalescent with a fine aventurine rim, check Sheldon Barr page 91. It is attributed to Artisti Barovier or Fratelli Toso.