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Offline Chris Harrison

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Old wave-ribbed tankard(s) - help with ID, please
« on: June 12, 2006, 04:54:04 PM »
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2292

I have pint and half pint tankards of this design in gold/amber, pale blue and green.  The green and blue may both have some uranium in them (if my memory serves me rightly).

The design has 6 waves like Whitefriars, but they are sharp zigzags, not rounded drapes as per the Marriott Powell 8473 vases.  The bases show a Star of David outline, and the punty mark has been ground out in a circle.

The pint version has the exact same dimensions as the later Whitefriars Glacier range pint tankard.

Does anyone have any idea if they are Whitefriars? Or who else might have made them?  I'm stumped.

Thanks,
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Old wave-ribbed tankard(s) - help with ID, please
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2006, 01:22:27 AM »
Hi Chris, I don't know who made these but I have one with the zigzag wave pattern as well....I'll check it tomorrow - I can't recall what the base on mine is like - and add a photo and sizes for comparison.

http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-943
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-944
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-945
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-946
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-947


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Re: Old wave-ribbed tankard(s) - help with ID, please
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2007, 03:18:13 PM »
bump!

Another pic
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3145

I've since acquired a brown pint pot of the same design. 

There's a jug of the same colour attributed to Stevens and Williams at
http://www.stylendesign.co.uk/classic/G679.html
I was wandering round my local flea market today, when I got into conversation with one of the stall-holders who was selling a clear jug of the same type.  He reckoned it's by Stuart and Sons (although like all my tankards it's unsigned.  There was recently a plain tankard of the same amber colour and same shape on eBay attributed to Stuart.

Can anyone help?  This is really starting to annoy me!
Thanks
Chris


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Re: Old wave-ribbed tankard(s) - help with ID, please
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2007, 05:15:07 PM »
Chris — Don't forget that almost everything interesting from Europe has been "attributed" to S&W or Webb by many general American dealers for decades, and some of those "attributions" get picked up over here.   Much the same as "Whitefriars" or "Powell" over here.

It can be very difficult to unravel these "attribution" chains.   I've even heard of one collector busy writing in the attributions that Mervyn Gulliver "forgot" to include in his excellent book.   The reason Mervyn didn't include them was because he couldn't verify them from primary sources.

Several English glass houses made wave-ribbed, and, in my opinion, many, perhaps most examples are not reliably attributable to a specific glassworks.

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Re: Old wave-ribbed tankard(s) - help with ID, please
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2007, 05:22:04 PM »
Bernard, that's interesting, as, like Chris (with whom I've exchanged many an email about these tankards) mine is still unattributed (see pics now added to my earlier post above.)

I also have some wine glasses with what appears to be the same wave pattern:

http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-1024
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-1025
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-1027
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-1028

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Re: Old wave-ribbed tankard(s) - help with ID, please
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2007, 06:00:01 PM »
And a collection of Webb glass:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4696
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4694
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4695

These two glasses feature a 'swuare' appearance when viewed from the top.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4692

This collection I call 'drape-ribbed'

All glass featured here is acid-etched 'Webb's' on the base.
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Re: Old wave-ribbed tankard(s) - help with ID, please
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2007, 06:41:13 PM »
Thanks, all.

Anne,
Yes, that's the same colour brown as my newest tankard.  It does seem to match the jug's colour very well, so I think there has to be a pretty good chance that the tankards and jugs are out of the same stable.

Bernard,
I know just what you mean.  However, the Stuart suggestion was a new one to me, and the tankard colours do seem to match the Stuart colour range well, given my limited experience.  I suppose I'm hoping that someone may have the Stuart catalogues handy.



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Re: Old wave-ribbed tankard(s) - help with ID, please
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2007, 08:38:06 PM »
Hello All,

I think Bernard is quite right to be sceptical and throw in a word of caution - a man after my own heart, as the saying goes.

It hardly seems necessary to add my 4 penny worth, but I did see this thread originally and assumed it would be sorted out fairly quickly ??? Oh well!

For as long as I can remember I have thought these to be from Thomas Webb. My reasons are much as has been shown in the photos by other GMB members. I cannot even remember whether or not I've seen a marked version, but IMHO I think much of their work is unmarked. Indeed a few years ago, my partner and I were at a local antique fair where I bought a 1900's green Stuart carafe and she bought a half pint beer mug - unmarked, but sold as 1930's Powell. She uses this Webb tankard for her occasional beer on a regular basis ;) Oh, dear what have I said??

BTW I have looked up the stylendesign attribution mentioned above - it is only based on the colour, as the glass shown in their reference "The Crystal Years" is a plain, footed piece and not wave-ribbed, like the mugs in question (or indeed the jug they are selling, also wave-ribbed).

Hope that helps, Nigel

 

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