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Author Topic: Edinburgh E.&L. Crystal platter  (Read 495 times)

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Offline Paul S.

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Edinburgh E.&L. Crystal platter
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:50:13 PM »
not sure if it is a platter, cake tray or  even a trinket tray, but attractive cutting and at least we know who made it.
Something like 11.5" (290 mm) long.

According to Roger Dodsworth's 'British Glass between the wars', this backstamp - using the word crystal in the mark - was in use from about 1927 and on through the 1930's but the condition of the piece suggests it might be more recent in date.

If anyone knows a pattern name or has a better suggestion for the date of the mark, it would be great to know.   thanks :)


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Re: Edinburgh E.&L. Crystal platter
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2015, 06:37:25 PM »
I found the dates for E&L Crystal here.
http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=182&Itemid=6
I recently had to, found a biscuit barrel with this mark on it. Sometimes older glass just didn't get used a lot, or shoved in a cabinet and left alone. It can be remarkably unworn. My (not staying mine!) biscuit barrel is remarkably unworn.

My brother might be able to find a pattern name, I'll ask him.
Cheers, Sue (M)
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Re: Edinburgh E.&L. Crystal platter
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2015, 08:02:52 PM »
thanks for that Sue - appreciate the help.            So, looks to be a mark used up until the end of the 1930's, which does run counter to my first thoughts bearing in mind the lack of wear - honestly it looks to have been made in the last five years - but am sure you're right about some things not seeing a lot of use.              Can't imagine glass biscuit barrels having been in fashion for many a long year - think they were popular in the couple of decades prior to the second war and perhaps a little after.           I've also have a couple of them, but without provenance - oval in cross-section - I think it was a deco shape - it seems quaint now, and don't think there is another piece of utility glass that shares this shape - perhaps a small mustard maybe.   

Discounting drinking glasses, I don't see much E. & L. older pieces down here, probably all up your neck of the woods.              Look forward to hearing some time if your brother is able to find a pattern name. :) 

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Re: Edinburgh E.&L. Crystal platter
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2015, 10:31:47 AM »
Your plate looks a bit "art cut", that's the sort of thing my brother likes. I don't believe E&L did very much "art cut" at all. Here's the biscuit barrel.
Cheers, Sue (M)
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Re: Edinburgh E.&L. Crystal platter
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2015, 11:30:25 AM »
thanks Sue  -  so yours is circular then, unlike some which were a sort of oval  -  attractive by the way  -  what is the height as a matter of interest?                  Would agree this platter is certainly not the usual run of the mill criss-cross mitres  -  it does have a more geometric patterned look.

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Re: Edinburgh E.&L. Crystal platter
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2015, 11:37:31 AM »
Your plate looks a bit more "floral" than just plain geometric. Possibly semi-art cut?

The barrel itself is 6" tall, with the lid on, 8". At the moment, it looks even worse than usual, because I've stuck a bit of kitchen roll between lid and base to prevent any damage happening.
Even the base of the rim of the lid is polished and arrised.
Cheers, Sue (M)
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Re: Edinburgh E.&L. Crystal platter
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2015, 02:48:08 PM »
quite right - poor choice of words on my part.      Would your describe it as a modernist art design? - bearing in mind the period from which it comes.

know what you mean gel about 'arrased - my oh give me some grief at times and then I'm well 'arrased. ;) ;)

But jokes aside............an arris is that sharp edge where two flat surfaces meet - usually a right angle.            The reason I say all of this is because I was wondering if you might have meant that the arris had been bevelled.
With glass - when two surfaces meet at a sharp edge, there is massive tendency for chipping  -  which is why often the arris is bevelled.

If I have misinterpreted your words then apologies ........ ;D

 

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Re: Edinburgh E.&L. Crystal platter
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2015, 03:14:07 PM »
I was referring to the arrising being the bevel.
So the base of the rim of the lid is polished flat, and arrised. (to prevent chipping at the right-angled edge which would otherwise have been there. (It's not right-angled now, it's got the arris.)
I suppose modernist might be the correct term, given the time period - but it is all before my time. ;)
I tend to use modernist in describing my preference in classical music, that encompasses much of 20th century stuff. I don't know how it is really used in other fields.
Cheers, Sue (M)
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Re: Edinburgh E.&L. Crystal platter
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2015, 03:57:47 PM »
quite right - and everything is before my time too ;D

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Re: Edinburgh E.&L. Crystal platter
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2015, 10:44:25 AM »
Sue  -  Woodward (The Story of Edinburgh Crystal) says that "There are 14 substantial volumes of Edinburgh Crystal's pattern books persevered at Penicuik etc. etc. ............  I know we have spoken of these in recent years on the Board, but I don't know if they are still at that location.

Are you saying that Michael has access to these pattern books/catalogues?? :)

 

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