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Another millefiori bottle inkwell- Id please
« on: September 15, 2015, 05:38:45 PM »
Here is a mystery for me. I hope I can get some help.

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Re: Another millefiori bottle inkwell- Id please
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2015, 05:45:50 PM »
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Hi.  Looks to me like Ysart Bros / Vasart. The ring of coloured frit is very similar to a ring I had in an upright flower by Salvador Ysart...so I would vote for a Salvador piece.  But Kevin is the man to say...

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Re: Another millefiori bottle inkwell- Id please
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2015, 05:51:17 PM »
Compared to other bottles I have, it is just a "simple" one. The form is the same as one other I have but the color of the canes etc is so different. Almost looks like a bottle made :in a hurry" ...
See my other examples of Salvador and Paul..

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Re: Another millefiori bottle inkwell- Id please
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2015, 05:52:42 PM »
In the 4 other ones, cane colors, complexity of canes are so different..

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Re: Another millefiori bottle inkwell- Id please
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2015, 05:53:17 PM »
See the other bottles..

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Re: Another millefiori bottle inkwell- Id please
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2015, 06:15:11 PM »
Here is other canes ..

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Re: Another millefiori bottle inkwell- Id please
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2015, 09:09:54 PM »
A main feature of bottles like this one is that they have no striping to the shank of the stopper and the well / neck section of the body. Another feature is that the canes do tend be of lesser quality in their structure and the setting within the bottle.

But generally I suspect that all such bottles that are clearly not by Paul Ysart and ALSO satisfy the standard UV testing for pre-1956 Ysart items, were made by Salvador Ysart.

The quality, and the setting of canes in "Salvador bottles" can vary greatly. Some are almost as precise as Paul Ysart's work. Others are of "average quality". And some have a good colour balance, while others are quite unattractive. In some cases the striping can be "washed out" and unimpressive.

In the case of the bottle for this thread, I agree with Alan that the coloured chips are a feature that strongly points to Salvador Ysart as the maker.

As for the dating of Salvador Ysart bottles, there is definite evidence of some (and, I guess, most) being made in the Ysart Brothers period (i.e. post-war). However I have seen no definite evidence to say, one way or the other, whether Salvador made such bottles in the pre-war years. My guess is that he did, but I know of no way to identify them as such.
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Re: Another millefiori bottle inkwell- Id please
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2015, 09:29:01 PM »
Thank you so much for taking time to write all the great information and also for confirming that it belongs to Ysart family. Unless a person is expert like you and Alan, it is difficult to figure out the canes. I am at least happy that I am getting there.. :).. Love the thrill of the hunt and also knowing that I have some great little treasures..

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