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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2006, 09:26:04 PM »
Janine, congratulations on the Brockwitz/Saxonia/Germany made bowl selected by your son!
These are my favourites really!

Glen, thank you so much for your input again also in this case!
Which thread did I miss to obtain the proof that Scheiner moved to Brockwitz and when was that, please? :?
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2006, 09:42:30 PM »
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Information courtesy of Seigmar Geiselberger shows that Scheiner was a glass designer of importance. In an article written by Dietrich Mauerhoff for Seigmar dated January, 2004, Scheiner is shown to have been the artist behind lovely items from Brockwitz such as the Fish handled bowl (I have a pink one) and the Parrot bowl and vase (I have an amber vase which I adore). He also designed the wonderful centrepieces made by August Walther such as the Neptune, Belvedere, Hollanderin and Mo(e)ve.

I can't read or speak German, so if any of my comprehension (or spelling) is at fault, my apologies.


That is my understanding, Pamela.

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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2006, 11:24:05 AM »
Hi Pamela - as I noted earlier, my German is non-existent. If I have misunderstood the January 2004 PK article (and thus wrongly believed that Scheiner designed the deco bowls for Brockwitz) please correct me. Can you help me to understand what is actually being said in that January article, please? I have also found this from 2005, but again, I cannot follow what is being said.

http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2005-3w-sg-ebay-scheiner.pdf

Janine - my apologies if I have incorrectly verified Scheiner as designer.

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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2006, 04:08:41 PM »
Hi Janine - I've been trying to understand the German text (courtesy of babel fish  :oops: ) in several articles in Siegmar Gieselberger's PK website. Here is one that shows your Lion bowl in the Brockwitz catalogue, and several of the other deco items.

http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2005-1w-stephens-brockwitz-vase.pdf

From what I can make out (and I am sure Pamela will correct me if I am wrong) it seems that Scheiner made a draft design that exhibited all the characteristics of the Brockwitz deco pieces under discusion.

The babelfish translation (which I am keenly aware is not going to be wholly accurate, and may well miss nuances of meaning) reads like this:

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Perhaps you also still remember the article of D Mauerhoff to the designer Fritz Scheiner at August Walther & sons, Ottendorf Okrilla, which sketched a bowl with 2 handles from fish still in the service of Walther, which was offered very similarly briefly thereafter by Brockwitz. It cannot  of course be cleared up today any longer whether and how the draft from Scheiner came to Brockwitz and whether the bowls with similar grasps  from animals - squirrels and lions - were made also by Scheiner for Brockwitz. Perhaps the two vases belong to the drafts of Friedrich Scheiner.


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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2006, 06:18:24 PM »
Thank you Glen, perhaps at least I should read PK much more carefully  :oops:
http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2005-3w-sg-ebay-scheiner.pdf
trying to translate SG's blue comment in the center (Aber:...)

"But: There is no proof that Scheiner had worked for Brockwitz and that the bowl with the parrots was designed by Scheiner.  sita587 thus cheated 35 bidders and the buyer."

In order to cut short SG's further comments: this was an eBay auction of the German seller sita587 who had stolen the photo of that bowl, had stolen photo of Scheiner and had stolen some information and thoughts of Mr. Mauerhoff and Mr. Geiselberger - mixed it well and served....
SG's last question is how to name someone like that: an a....hole?

There were many copyrights neglected:
Mr. Geiselberger/Pressglas-Korrespondenz, Mr. Mauerhoff (investigating Saxonian huts), Mr. Weinberger (as owner of the 1941 catalogue), Dir. Stopfer/Vienna (investigating the Scheiner story and family)

Dear Janina, I wonder whether we shall be able to name the designer of these animal handled bowls one day - but they are definitely and without doubt
Glasfabrik AG , Brockwitz (situated south-west from Dresden near Meissen, Saxonia)

Hope this helps
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2006, 12:13:41 AM »
Dear Glen and Pamela,
thank yu both for the information and time that you have put into identifying the designer of Dante's bowl(which is the same as the one on in the catalogue. Its all very interesting to Dante and myself!
regards,
Janine

 

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