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Edward Webb - Whitehouse Glassworks
« on: July 05, 2006, 07:41:55 AM »
Hi,

I'm working on a bit about the Whitehouse Glassworks and I'm trying to figure out how Edward Webb fits into the grand scheme of things.  

Was he one of Thomas Webb the first's sons?  Thomas Webb had five sons, and I've found four of them (Joseph Webb, Thomas Wilkes Webb, Charles Webb, Walter Wilkes Webb) but am missing the fifth.  

In H.W. Woodward's book "Art, Feat and Mystery - The story of Thomas Webb & Sons, Glassmakers" we learn that John Webb, Thomas Webb's father entered the glass industry and in 1833 became a partner of John Shepherd at the White House Glassworks, trading as "Shepherd and Webb."  John Webb died in 1835, leaving his share of the business to Thomas, his only son at that time.  

If he wasn't one of Thomas Webb's sons, does anyone know what his relationship was ?

Also I've seen Whitehouse Glassworks referenced as being in Stourbridge, and other times Wordsley (which are less then two miles apart), but assume they are the same glassworks.

Any information on Edward Webb would be greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2006, 08:12:59 AM »
Hartmann quotes Giles Hayward, The celebrated Manley Collection auction catalogue as a source. He gives a spidereb mark with an E above it. Gives a date of c.1890 but provides no family link.

I cannot find my copy of the catalogue, do you have one?
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2006, 08:30:41 AM »
Hi Frank,

Thank you for your reply.  

I've been able to confirm the spider web mark was used by the Whitehouse Glassworks from the Nash notebooks.

Mr. Woodward does a nice job giving a fair amount of info up to about the 1850's on Whitehouse Glassworks, but there's a large gap from then until about the 1880's.    And one of the mysteries seems to be exactly where Edward Webb fits in as far as the Webb family.   Apparently he was  co-manager and partner with Nash, until Nash went to work at Thomas Webb & Sons (and then came to the U.S.A.).

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2006, 08:58:29 AM »
Hartmann gives the name:
Edward Webb, White House Glass Works, Wordsley near Stourbridge.

I think Webb was not an uncommon name. Like Moncrieff in Perth, there are so many separate lineages of the name without any other connection.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2006, 09:06:52 AM »
Hadjamach does mention an Edward Webb as being the brother of Joseph Webb and in a partnership that was dissolved in 1850. To my mind 40-50 later when the White House is mentioned, is possibly too long a period for them to be the same Edward. It should be possible to get the date of birth of the Edward Webb that was Joseph's brother. Perhaps Edward had a son Edward?

It is probably worth contacting Hadjamach on the connection.
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2006, 12:32:40 PM »
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... It is probably worth contacting Hadjamach on the connection.

How?

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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2006, 06:40:44 PM »
Frank,

If you could PM me an email address for Hadjamach I'd really like to contact him and see what his thoughts are on this topic.

If Joseph Webb was in fact his brother, then Thomas Webb the first is his father.  This would make sense considering that after John Shepherd retired, Thomas Webb had full ownership of the Whitehouse Glassworks.

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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2006, 08:41:27 PM »
Hadjamach's address is available to Glass Association members so I am reluctant to hand that out to non-members. However, you can write via the Broadfield House Glass Museum using there form

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There could also be someone else at the museum that can answer.
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2006, 09:47:45 PM »
Hi Frank,

I've used that Broadfield House Glass Museum form in the past with no response.

Could you provide further details on the Glass Association, and how I could join?

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2006, 09:54:08 PM »
Hi Brian,

It is worthwhile joining, excellent research being regularly published. Contact through their website at http://www.glassassociation.org.uk/

It is also worth getting any of their back-issues that are still available.
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