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Hi. I think these are both Richardson pieces - certainly the footed one. They often use four armed crosses as part of the cane design, and pure white cog canes. The one called 'Bacchus' shows no specific Bacchus features as far as I can see, and has several pointers towards Richardson. Part of the problem with Old English ID is that people treat Bob Hall's book as if it is definitive...whereas it is riddled with errors. For example, Bob had not even realised that there was more than one Queen's Head design, so any paperweight with a Queen's Head cane was made by 'Bacchus' (which is not true...).
Alan
[Mod: The references to "these are both" and "the one called Bacchus" related to a third-party image which has been removed according to the board guidelines on copyright.]