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Author Topic: textured large blue glass platter or shallow bowl - is it Václav Zajíc "Město"?  (Read 355 times)

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Hi,
any ideas? - have scoured the internet but cannot identify manufacturer or pattern/design - no label or maker's mark.
platter (or shallow bowl - mostly flat with raised rim) - 33-34 cm diameter,  abt. 3cm deep, heavy (weighs 1.7kg!) - smooth topside, distinctive textured pattern underside
Any help appreciated - thank you.

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Re: textured large blue glass platter or shallow bowl - i.d. help pls
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2016, 08:03:32 PM »
some better pictures and additional info.:
glass thickness 5-6mm
as well as being heavily patterned, the underside also has an overall "orange peel"  effect

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Re: textured large blue glass platter or shallow bowl - i.d. help pls
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2016, 07:13:31 AM »
Hello and welcome to GMB!
This bowl reminds me of some Czech Sklo Union patterns post WWII however couldn't find an exact match so far, sorry! Scandinavia and Italy are further possibilities, working on it...  :)
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Re: textured large blue glass platter or shallow bowl - i.d. help pls
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2016, 06:09:12 PM »
I´m wondering if this one might be spanish recycled?  :-\
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...working on it...
https://picasaweb.google.com/108140812446658939096

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Re: textured large blue glass platter or shallow bowl - i.d. help pls
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2017, 11:37:53 PM »
Thanks for your suggestions - apologies for not replying sooner

Pamela, - you appear to have been spot-on!

-Tonight (!),  whilst looking for something completely different, I spotted a similarly patterned/textured piece of clear glass on Etsy :

https://www.etsy.com/listing/528411515/sklo-union-czechoslovakia-mesto-serving

A further search for: Sklo Union, Vaclav Zajic, and Mesto    turned up two others - one in clear glass and the other in blue - on eBay

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SKLO-UNION-CZECH-GLASS-VACLAV-ZAJIC-MESTO-PATTERN-DIVIDED-PLATTER-EXCEL-COND-/381700389186

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-SKLO-UNION-Blue-Glass-Plate-VACLAV-ZAJIC-LIBOCHOVICE-/272051525961?nma=true&si=oTZ1uWYKnsw%252BvlMGsiXEMT5Z0UY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
(auction ended)

- is this pattern referenced in in Newhall's "Sklo Union" book? - or elsewhere? 
I've tried the Sklo-union website(s) - and others - but there is no mention of this particular design.
http://sklo-union-glass.com/cms/index.php
http://www.sklo-union.eu/   (seems to have images of vases only?)

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Re: textured large blue glass platter or shallow bowl - i.d. help pls
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2017, 06:23:13 AM »
I've looked in the book. The Etsy one looks plausible for Mesto but I'm not convinced by yours or the other two I'm afraid

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Re: textured large blue glass platter or shallow bowl - i.d. help pls
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2017, 12:54:13 PM »
I'm dubious myself. I strongly suspect contemporary and possibly something such as Arcoroc or Arcopal.
I'm sure see a lot of these in charity shops.
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Re: textured large blue glass platter or shallow bowl - i.d. help pls
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2017, 10:39:55 PM »
Lustrousstone-

Here is a new photo taken at a similar angle to the Etsy-listed serving platter for comparison
-  the very distinctive "C"-shaped blocks, oblongs and deep groves etc. appear to match exactly (?)
...or are there other features detailed in Newhall's book that are absent/different ?

 - was this pattern reproduced by other companies?

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Re: textured large blue glass platter or shallow bowl - i.d. help pls
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2017, 04:02:54 PM »
more re: poss.  Václav Zajíc  "Město"  [= City/Town] (Sklo Union platter)

http://www.cs-sklo.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo/25-STARE-CLANKY-OLD-ARTICLES/1023-Vaclav-Zajic

[Google translation of extract] "The name of Václav Zajíc is mainly associated with Libochovické pressed glass, its [his?]  angular vase with roses (20240) belongs among the worshiped patterns of collectors of pressed glass, as well as dishes, bowls and plates pressed without a ring, for example, the "City" (3559)"  [photo shows example, - unfortunately rather blurred]
[- is "3559" the pattern number?, - are there any old trade catalogues available which might show the design and available colours?]

Picclick UK (same eBay result as previous posting but shows all photos together):
https://picclick.co.uk/Sklo-Union-Czech-Glass-Vaclav-Zajic-Mesto-Pattern-381700389186.html


(Aukro - Czech auction website archive - (2014 auction - ended)) [accessed via Google Translate]:
Deep bowl for sale 7cm height, 24cm diameter - "rare" city pattern
https://archiv.aukro.cz/misa-soubor-mesto-v-zajic-sklo-unio--i3863577387
[scroll down for images] - shows very similar patterning and "orange peel"/mottled finish on underside
title suggests that this was part of a series or set.

(sbzar - Czech website items for sale ) (Oct2017) [accessed via Google Translate]:
https://www.sbazar.cz/drrys/detail/25824815-m9sa-misky-vzor-mesto-v-zajic-libochovice
Large bowl and 4 smaller bowls "Město" ("City") designed by Václav Zajíc Libochovice (1976)
- same pattern of "C"-shaped blocks and oblongs etc...!

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Re: textured large blue glass platter or shallow bowl - i.d. help pls
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2017, 09:55:53 PM »
OK, I'm fairly certain that I've got all the proof I need - unless someone proves to me otherwise! (e.g. that it's a reproduction/fake):

...another thread on this website:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=55848.50
-contains a link to a Google Album showing several pages of text and photos from a catalogue of Václav Zajíc's (exhibited?) works:
https://plus.google.com/photos/104509467784289017506/albums/5443336658623576049?banner=pwa&authkey=CKG4m-Dmusmi6wE

(extract):
"Město" pattern shown in index to photos:
"9/  Miska a talíř, v.č. 3559/140, 210, Libochovice 1976"
[Google Translate: "9/  Bowl and plate, no. 3559/140, 210, Libochovice 1976"]

b/w photo - image #9 showing plate and bowl

"ocenění" [Awards]:
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"Vynikající výrobek roku 1976: soubor „Město" (talíře, mísy v.č. 3559/140, 210)"  [ v.č. = (product number?)]
[Google translate:   "Outstanding product of the year 1976: set "Town " (plates, bowls no. 3559/140, 210)" ]
(with apologies to any native Czech speakers for any transcription & translation errors !)

I've overlaid the image of the b/w image over my plate - and there's an exact match in the central pattern area (the 2 plates are different sizes)...

[Mod: Sorry, rummager, but the black & white image and the catalogue it is in are most likely still in copyright. So Board Policy on use of copyright material applies and your montaged image has been removed.]

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