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Author Topic: Harrach or Stevens & Williams or Bolton & Mills  (Read 756 times)

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Offline Nonpareil

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Harrach or Stevens & Williams or Bolton & Mills
« on: August 06, 2016, 12:34:26 AM »
I've had people saying Harrach due to examples shown in the passau museum harrach room, but quite a few more saying Stevens & Williams just due to the similar ones found when googling.  None so far have been able to give me a solid source other than a photo of the passau museum harrach room.

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Re: Harrach or Stevens & Williams or Bolton & Mills
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2016, 07:01:48 PM »
It's Bohemian and most likely Harrach, and not Stevens and Williams. Most items like this are incorrectly attributed to Stephens and Williams and it's a myth that won't go away unfortunately

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Re: Harrach or Stevens & Williams or Bolton & Mills
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2016, 09:55:30 PM »
'Most items like this are incorrectly attributed to Stephens and Williams and it's a myth that won't go away unfortunately'

That might be because of the description of applied flowers etc that appears in the Stevens and Williams book - haven't got it right here but there is a detailed piece in there.

Hence they all 'become' S&W if they have applied bits on.

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Re: Harrach or Stevens & Williams or Bolton & Mills
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2016, 08:35:54 PM »
https://www.kovels.com/price-guide/glass-price-guide/stevens-williams/Page-2.html?/vase/-pink-applied-flowers-leaves-amber-ruffled-edge-signed-illustrated=&eid=691315

This one was apparently signed for Stevens and Williams. Unfortunately there is no picture of the signed mark.It might be one of the pieces causing the confusion.

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Re: Harrach or Stevens & Williams or Bolton & Mills
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2016, 06:41:39 AM »
There are also known faked S&W signatures on items on the US... that is classic Harrach

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Re: Harrach or Stevens & Williams or Bolton & Mills
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2016, 10:37:33 AM »
When I bought this vase I thought S&W but since then I have become convinced Harrach is a much better bet, comparison of the detail in the flowers and leaves seem like reasonable evidence to me. As far as I know the Passau Museum attributions have stood up well to scrutiny.

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Re: Harrach or Stevens & Williams or Bolton & Mills
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2016, 11:29:24 AM »
John do you have a photo of the base of the vase please?
thanks
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Re: Harrach or Stevens & Williams or Bolton & Mills
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2016, 04:52:40 PM »
I do, still have the vase too, pretty sure that pontil mark is polished - will be able to check tomorrow.

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Re: Harrach or Stevens & Williams or Bolton & Mills
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2016, 08:24:34 PM »
Likewise my piece has beautifully polished pontil mark  :-\

There are examples in the S&W book of applied leaves and flowers but they do not look like these pieces though.

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Re: Harrach or Stevens & Williams or Bolton & Mills
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2016, 06:59:41 AM »
i am under the impression the item i posted , is likely by boulton & mills,  others have insisted it's Harrach, the pics belong to a member of a fb group o am helping out whom owns thispiece and tookt he photo's his name is justin, i have no clue if he has a gmb account as he didn't mention it when i told him to post it here, so i did it for him to eleviate so much heated debate on the fb glass group, i am merely seeking others opinions of it, whom they feel made it, there are tiny black/dark flecks/inclusions in the white parts, what would they be too ? ... many many thanks

 

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