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Author Topic: Sowerby sugar bowl, Queen's Ivory ?  (Read 471 times)

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Offline nick.a

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Re: Sowerby sugar bowl, Queen's Ivory ?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2016, 08:49:46 AM »
Hi Paul,
 I wasn't questioning Cottle calling 1350 a vase, as you rightly say it's in the catalogue, rather Sowerby. Not only are there no 'ears' on the handles of the factory drawing, but as you've already said, it omits the Peacock decoration :). Perhaps they had in mind to try many forms of decoration and, as you say, were just registering the shape? The creamer I'm refering to is Rd 328747 shown here:  http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=763&pos=1065 (though Cottle describes Rd 328747 as daisy pattern #1331) there's an error there somewhere. Ian's bowl definitely looks like 'Patent Queen's Ware' and it mentions that as an option at the top of the catalogue, but as the Glass Queries gallery shows an amber version which the catalogue doesn't mention, UV should confirm things :).
As always there are plenty of challenges with the ID of these things even with catalogue, registrations and your good works at Kew, for which we're all very grateful and I offer you my thanks ;D.
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Nick

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Re: Sowerby sugar bowl, Queen's Ivory ?
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2016, 09:20:17 AM »
 :-* go on, I bet you say that to all the sailors here, or am I special ;) ;)

BUT seriously -   being an old codger I was slow to realize the punning decoration on this particular Registration - the word  'peacock'  -  could get confusing in view of their trademark ;)

sorry to say but all I'm seeing in your link are a pair of mineral water bottles ??           A picture of Rd. 328747 doesn't seem to be on either of your links


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Re: Sowerby sugar bowl, Queen's Ivory ?
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2016, 09:37:43 AM »
Hi Paul,
 ;D I withdraw my thanks on the grounds of sexual harrassment  ;D Mods!! help ;D. Sorry about the link, try this one: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=1001&pos=644
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Re: Sowerby sugar bowl, Queen's Ivory ?
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2016, 10:53:23 AM »
yes, that creamer in your link is correct as one of the items under Registration 328744.     Obviously there was some leeway in allowing related shapes to be included under a given Registered shape, and this is an example of such an instance.         There's no doubt that with its art deco style handle, upper plain band with decoration of peacock and flowers, the ribbed lower half and legs, it was legitimate for the factory to include it under 328744.             There may be other shapes that qualify for inclusion under this Rd. No. - I really don't know, and don't have Fred's knowledge with which to comment, although the handled squashed basket shown in Nick's most recent link was definitely one of them.

You mentioned Sowerby Rd. 328747 - although regret I've lost the plot as to exactly why  -  but should it be of interest I've attached a copy of the original factory drawing (now at Kew), and it too was one of the twelve Registrations from 04.11.1878.             Obviously it has nothing to do with Keith's Registration.

Just a little information regarding Sowerby's introduction of these opaque wares might be of interest - details of which are taken from Raymond Slack's book....'English Pressed Glass 1830 - 1900   ............
As far as Sowerby were concerned, their invention of what they described as 'Vitro-Porcelain' first appeared in 1877, although there are pieces with lozenges showing dates from 1876.
For their Queen's Ivory ware  -  which George Sowerby initially described simply as 'Ivory', there were provisional patents taken out in May 1878, and Letters Patent were filed in November 1878, so it's quite possible that there weren't any pieces of 'Ivory' physically on the market  until 1879  -  but I'm not sure  -  perhaps someone can confirm.             It would be interesting to know exactly which was the first Ivory Registration No.
Sowerby's first pressed glass Registrations were in February 1872 - so Keith's 1868 piece is a very rare find ;D ;)


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Re: Sowerby sugar bowl, Queen's Ivory ?
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2016, 12:27:54 PM »
I have a matching cream jug if you want one.

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Re: Sowerby sugar bowl, Queen's Ivory ?
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2016, 01:11:42 PM »
thanks Mike  -  very much appreciate the offer, but will pass on this occasion...............      trying to keep glass acquisitions to a minimum. :)

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Re: Sowerby sugar bowl, Queen's Ivory ?
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2016, 02:10:05 PM »
Just for Paul.... ;D ;D bit out of focus, it's my age !  ::) ;D ;D

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Re: Sowerby sugar bowl, Queen's Ivory ?
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2016, 04:25:34 PM »
thanks  -  good to see the glow Keith. :)             At one time or another I've owned some classic pieces of this stuff, and always had the impression that the relief pattern - whatever it happened to be - was that much sharper and precise that ordinary pressed glass  -  something to do with the moulds perhaps, but not sure.

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Re: Sowerby sugar bowl, Queen's Ivory ?
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2016, 05:16:07 PM »
Nick, you are using the URL at the top of the Glass Gallery images. What you need to do is use the URL below the images.

Which image were you trying to link to? Was it the creamer - Rd 328747?
KevinH

 

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