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Offline brucebanner

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Georgian, Victorian punch cup or something else?.
« on: January 22, 2017, 03:06:06 PM »
Any thoughts on this one, just about hanging together with four internal cracks, i think might be Georgian but can not find anything similar.

5 1/2 inches in height, 4 inches across the rimand 3 1/4 inches across the base.

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Re: Georgian, Victorian punch cup or something else?.
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2017, 03:07:16 PM »
shot of the monogram.
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Re: Georgian, Victorian punch cup or something else?.
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2017, 03:12:07 PM »
Hello Chris, good to meet you at last, is that the one you went back for ? it has the old style handle, dab ? is it called ? if I'd have seen that I might have scooped it up  ;D

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Re: Georgian, Victorian punch cup or something else?.
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2017, 03:23:44 PM »
Yes, got it down to 10, good to see you to mate, filled all the cracks in with UV glue, so i've got my fingers crossed it won't fall apart.
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Re: Georgian, Victorian punch cup or something else?.
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2017, 03:55:38 PM »
I wonder if it's a pint tankard from about 1780,I have seen a similar glass described as such and it will be interesting to hear what others think,I wouldn't have hesitated for a tenner. :)

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Re: Georgian, Victorian punch cup or something else?.
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2017, 05:29:22 PM »
Half pint maybe, hopefully the glue will stop it from getting any worse, does look like it from the few Google images there are.
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Re: Georgian, Victorian punch cup or something else?.
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2017, 08:59:15 PM »
too big for some sort of sweetmeat glass do we think?             The pulley-wheel feature almost certainly suggests somewhere from 1800 to 1830, but to be honest I've now forgotten the approximate start and end dates for this decoration.          I wouldn't have thought alcohol, but who knows?               Such a shame about the cracks, but a very unusual and interesting looking piece.

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Re: Georgian, Victorian punch cup or something else?.
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2017, 09:07:30 PM »
What do you think the ladel means Paul.

Why ladel  beer ?
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Re: Georgian, Victorian punch cup or something else?.
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2017, 09:52:14 PM »
the thinking behind my suggestion of a sweetmeat related item came from the overall appearance which first off made me think that this was an over-sized jelly or custard - unfortunately it wasn't from a knowledge based idea, so rather my uneducated opinion.            But, since my post I've now had a look in G. Bernard Hughes 'English Glass For The Collector 1660 - 1860', and plate 39 - bottom right - shows what I would also call a very over-sized custard/jelly, and standing at 6.25 inches.           However, the author who obviously knew shed loads more than me, describes it as a 'helmet-shaped'  -  it stands on a flat foot with rudimentary stem with bladed knop and collar under bowl.          Admittedly it has a flared top rim - hence the word 'helmet-shaped', and of course it has the pre-mid C19 pump style of handle.           Hughes call his example a 'tankard', but annoyingly doesn't provide a date, although I suspect late C18 or early C19.
I've certainly seen pulley-wheel decoration on rinsers and finger bowls from the Regency period (1810 - 1830).

Hughes example does have the pulley decoration, but doesn't have your  -  is it folded top rim?  -  and lacks any wheel engraved decoration.   But the overall appearance is sufficiently similar to confirm your first thought that this is for alcohol and either a tankard, or punch glass in view of the ladle.
Originally, I also wondered about a large syllabub glass.

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Re: Georgian, Victorian punch cup or something else?.
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2017, 10:14:24 PM »
Has a pint or half pint glass changed much over the centuries, why put a handle on it, does not make sense? and a pot with a ladel must mean at least six or eight or forty or eighty or 400 servings.
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