Topic: handled saucers, pressed glass c.1840. specific purpose?

[cagney]

Bought a set of 4 at local thrift shop. Lead glass.Probably French. Early pressing (some warping, etc.).Smooth interior then becomes an inset approx. .50 cm deep.No known counterpart ( handled saucer ) in American " lacy" glass of the period. Wondering if it was made for a specific purpose other than just a sauce dish with handle. 14.5 cm x 12 cm.

[Lustrousstone]

They could also be German and possibly ice dishes. Have you looked here http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/

[Paul S.]

Silber & Fleming, and one or two other sources, show similar shaped pieces as jelly or sweetmeat dishes - date wise these were popular in the second half of the C19.
I'd agree the stippled background and very curvaceous design suggest 'Lacy'  -  and although could be 'probably French'  -  equally likely to be from several other sources, including the U.K.. although apparently we made very little of the stuff.           Are you sure they're lead glass?

[neilh]

The thickness of the pressing reminds me of a plate I have (without handle) which I'm sure is a pre 1850 pressing. Looking through the Manchester catalogs there are 2 simpler designs for handled plates in Molineaux Webb, none at all for Percival Vickers or Robinson & Skinner of Warrington. I thought these items were used as cup plates to hold a drippy cup, maybe some preferred to hold with a handle?

A handled plate from Molineaux Webb included for comparison

[cagney]

Wow, wealth of information. Thanks so much for your replies.

[flying free]

planche 86 Launay Hautin 1841 no 2652 shows a similar plate style (with handle i.e. but not the same shape or design) and appears to say it is an 'ice' plate? (Christine has already mentioned this above)  I don't know - my French is not good enough to infer anything from the description.

http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Launay-Hautin-1841.21+B6YmFja1BJRD0yMSZwcm9kdWN0SUQ9ODg0JnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTIxJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html

I have a similar gilded crackle glass version in blown glass.

[Lustrousstone]

Yes it does says ice plate, the next bit is a description of the shape

[Anne Tique]

Unknown according to https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2008-1w-stopfer-teller-form-geblasen.pdf bottom of the page.

[Anne Tique]

I'm sorry, the way I mentioned it  has put a bit of a stopper on it, I guess 

[flying free]

Great link Anne and it does give lots of information as well:
It appears to confirm Christine's suggestion of ice plate - and then also gives possibly French/ Belgian and c. 1840.

'Abb. 2008-1/113 rechts
Eisschale mit Akanthus-Blättern und Ranken, Sablée
farbloses Pressglas, H 2,8 cm, B 11,5 cm, L 14,5 cm
Sammlung Stopfer
Hersteller unbekannt, Frankreich, Belgien, um 1840 '
https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2008-1w-stopfer-teller-form-geblasen.pdf

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