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Author Topic: Carafe with red & white filigree spiral, maker Boston & Sandwich?  (Read 831 times)

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Re: Carafe with red & white filigree spiral, maker Boston & Sandwich?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2017, 07:53:23 PM »
This is what I'm on about Turkish glass not Polish  it's at a lot of fairs now.

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/527343437599545164/
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Re: Carafe with red & white filigree spiral, maker Boston & Sandwich?
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2017, 10:22:01 PM »
Chris, sorry for being pedantic, but in your earlier post (Reply #6), you said: 
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... the only thing I have seen recently similar is a lot of Polish glass with similar single blue stripes no white ...
You specified "no white". However, the Turkish items in the Pinterest page do have white threads as well as blue.

A general point though, is that in the Turkish items the coloured and white threads are separated and are alternately blue / white, whereas in Clichy / Boston & Sandwhich examples, the threads are made as a single strip of colour edged with white on both sides. So, although there is a similarity at a distance, it's quite easy to separate the Turkish from the French / US.

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Re: Carafe with red & white filigree spiral, maker Boston & Sandwich?
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2017, 01:57:59 PM »
I said similar not exact, that's why i thought john was worried it was modern, i'm looking at thousands of pieces of glass a week, i can not remember everything or alter a thread on here after an hour.

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Re: Carafe with red & white filigree spiral, maker Boston & Sandwich?
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2017, 09:04:30 PM »
I have looked through the Clichy book and could not see similar canes although there are many pieces in the  book.

I did find this.

https://procne.ihned.cz/c1-26460050-mecenasi-hrdinove-kteri-musi-prijit-do-mody

and this from the collection:
http://muzeum.sumava.net/wp-content/uploads/029.jpg

The cane formation looks to be the same at least as the first piece maybe?
The shape is similar to the second.

another piece with similar canes in the background here
http://muzeum.sumava.net/wp-content/uploads/038.jpg

I wonder if the carafes are Bohemian?

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Re: Carafe with red & white filigree spiral, maker Boston & Sandwich?
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2017, 11:02:08 PM »
I think the mezeum.sumava item (038.jpg) at the back of the picture has single threads of blue and red over a white base colour of the iitem. The colours, next to each other, are blue/white/red/white etc. rather than white/blue/white white/red/white. So I would discount it from the type under discussion.
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Re: Carafe with red & white filigree spiral, maker Boston & Sandwich?
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2017, 11:14:16 PM »
kev it looks clear,then white pink white cane, then clear to me?
No blue?

I'll take another look.
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Re: Carafe with red & white filigree spiral, maker Boston & Sandwich?
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2017, 11:26:46 AM »
In the Passauer Glasmuseum there are shown similar items:
Row 3 and 4: 'Gräfl. Schaffgotsch'sche Josephinenhütte' dated from 1842 to 1850

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Re: Carafe with red & white filigree spiral, maker Boston & Sandwich?
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2017, 07:23:07 PM »
Looks the same as those weird this is the shelf they are sat on.
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Re: Carafe with red & white filigree spiral, maker Boston & Sandwich?
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2018, 07:01:39 PM »
Just trying to find something else and i have found your op in Andy McConnells "The Decanter" page 229, he states "probably Clichy c1840"

Although the spirals are going the other way.
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Re: Carafe with red & white filigree spiral, maker Boston & Sandwich?
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2018, 07:30:47 PM »
There was nothing in the Clichy book.

I have a  filigrana piece that I thought was Clichy - the pontil mark is a very tiny perfectly polished pontil mark.  However iirc I now believe it is probably Saint-Louis.

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