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Author Topic: E.Varnish mercury glass with embossed seal, circa 1849  (Read 1449 times)

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Offline drewfind

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E.Varnish mercury glass with embossed seal, circa 1849
« on: October 11, 2017, 03:43:29 PM »
Hi
I have a plain red/crimson goblet from the e.varnish mercury glass range. It is, as far as I can find, quite rare, the only other monochrome piece is a blue one, also classed as rare.

I have taken it to one of our larger antique shops, and the chap I spoke to said he felt priveliged just looking at it, and asked me for a few more days to research it, he has yet to contact a few more of his colleagues, and asked me too also carry on researching.

Can anyone help please? I will try and add a couple of pics, but last time i tried it told me my file was too big.

I look forward to hearing from you all, many thanks
Andrew

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Re: E.Varnish mercury glass with lozenge, circa 1849
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 04:32:11 PM »
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Re: E.Varnish mercury glass with lozenge, circa 1849
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 10:49:26 PM »
hello Andrew - welcome to the GMB :)                  If you have temporary problems uploading pix, we might still be able to offer some help in the form of information related to the details on your lozenge.
Assuming you can read the details, you might tell us the figures/letters, starting at the top.
1849 ish is early, and falls into the first of two dated periods for lozenges  -  the first covers 1842 - 1867, and the second is 1868 - 1883.   
Circled at the top of the diamond, and placed outside you should find a Roman III (glass is classified as Class 3).          Within the diamond, at the top there should be upper case letter for the year  -  to the right will be a number indicating the day of the month  -  at the bottom will be the parcel No.  -  finally, to the left will be upper case letter indicating the month.

of course you may already know all of this.           Hope you can decipher the details.


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Re: E.Varnish mercury glass with lozenge, circa 1849
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 11:55:37 AM »
thanks for the link.               I'm sensing that there might just possibly be a mis-use of the word lozenge here  -  could be wrong, and no doubt someone will confirm whether it's recorded or not that mercury glass is known to have included a Registration lozenge.
Whilst most pieces with a diamond lozenge are of the pressed type, cut glass and other forms have also been recorded on occasions, but I'm wondering if this particular reference to mercury glass should read 'seal/plug', rather than lozenge.

I don't seen any mention of a lozenge in the link, neither do I see any reference to Powell in the years 1849 - 51 in the list of B. of T. Registrations.
I notice that C.H. says  .............  "Some authorities give James Powell and Sons as the probable makers, but there is no conclusive proof."  -  although Andrew Lineham seems confident enough to say "Some of the finer glasswares were made at James Powell's Whitefriars glassworks."

At the time perhaps it was considered sufficient that a patent was adequate to protect this invention, rather than a Registration.

Over to you Andrew :)

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Re: E.Varnish mercury glass with lozenge, circa 1849
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 12:10:12 PM »
yes, suspect 'lozenge' may mean the impressed mark on the lead (?) plug in the base rather than a date lozenge Paul.

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Re: E.Varnish mercury glass with lozenge, circa 1849
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 12:24:39 PM »
I think lozenge is the wrong term after all, seal/plug is the term used in the glass museum. The seal is round, London across the top, E.Varnish along the bottom and patent across the centre.

There may be more marks but I can't look at them until I collect the piece back from the antique house where it is being researched.

I hope this is of more help?

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Re: E.Varnish mercury glass with lozenge, circa 1849
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 12:32:55 PM »
thanks for the clarification Andrew :)  -  so ignore all my waffle in reply No. 2.            Probably best to avoid using the word lozenge, unless we are referring specifically to the diamond shaped Board of Trade Registration lozenge, thingy.           Anyway, great piece to have found, congrats.

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Re: E.Varnish mercury glass with lozenge, circa 1849
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 12:44:56 PM »
or any other diamond or rhomboid shape...

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 01:32:18 PM »
My wife has also found some initials etched into the base

I will try and load the pics again as my wife has resized them on her phone

The initials are E&E , and they are above the E.Varnish seal, to the right, is this also to be expected?

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