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Author Topic: Sowerby Registrations from 14th May 1878 - Parcel 9.  (Read 436 times)

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Re: Sowerby Registrations from 14th May 1878 - Parcel 9.
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2017, 10:08:10 PM »
speaking I'm sure on behalf of many folk here Fred, your efforts put most of us to shame  -  very many thanks for taking the time with all of these posts.

I'm surprised at your comments that the lid for sugar box 321369 is referenced under a separate Registration No.  -  I will go now and ferret this out hopefully  -  but if I don't have said No. will include in the next Kew foray.

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Re: Sowerby Registrations from 14th May 1878 - Parcel 9.
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2017, 10:24:01 AM »
Fred  -  reflecting on your comments that the lid for sugar box Rd. 321369 appears not to have been Registered at the same time as the base, seems unusual perhaps, and I've looked through the seven Nos. you indicate as possibly harbouring the Reg. for the lid only - Nos. 318789 to 318795.                 Regret to say I'm unable to find a Registration for said lid within the number range you mention, but what suddenly occurred to me is the fact that these seven Nos. were allocated something like 4 months prior to Registration of the base (May of that year).            It appears rather back to front that a component such as a lid might be Registered months prior to its intended base  -  suppose you might argue that this lid served as a 'part' for more than one Registration - but we'd need proof of that suggestion, and I don't see evidence of that in the Kew drawings.

As you have pointed out, the base for this 'sugar box' appears in Sowerby pattern book XI, minus its lid  -  but it does appear in the factory drawing with the lid, which would have been the official information supplied by Sowerby to the Board of Trade.                So do we argue that the data provided to the Board of Trade on the 14th of May 1878 i.e. the whole design including lid, should be our criteria for assuming that Reg. 321369 was indeed intended to cover both lid and box?

What in particular made you suggest that the lid might occur within the seven Registrations from 20th February (parcel 3) of that year?


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Re: Sowerby Registrations from 14th May 1878 - Parcel 9.
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2017, 01:08:34 PM »
The Sowerby RD 321369 / pattern 1397 sugar box is also shown with its lid on page 59 of pattern book XI (1882), appearing as it does on the Kew drawing.

I  mentioned that it appeared that the lid had been  registered as a separate design somewhere within the RD bundle for 20th February 1878 - Parcel 3 simply because I had a note to that effect with my reference photos, but I have no more detailed evidence than that.

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Re: Sowerby Registrations from 14th May 1878 - Parcel 9.
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2017, 03:24:01 PM »
thanks Fred  -  if you agree, I'm going to suggest that for the time being we treat the whole of this item  -  the box and it's lid - as being covered by Reg. 321369, unless some positive evidence to the contrary is found. :)

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Re: Sowerby Registrations from 14th May 1878 - Parcel 9.
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2017, 04:36:19 PM »
Agreed, Paul.

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Re: Sowerby Registrations from 14th May 1878 - Parcel 9.
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2017, 03:25:44 PM »
here are the missing four Sowerby Registrations - from 14th May 1878 - mentioned in the first post  ..................  321372 (two pix) - and one picture each for ....  321375, 321378 and 321379.           Again, all very poor quality, so hope you can work some sort of improvement Fred.              Four pix on this post and one will roll over to the following post.

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Re: Sowerby Registrations from 14th May 1878 - Parcel 9.
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2017, 03:26:35 PM »
and the final one from this date/group  ...........  321379 

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Re: Sowerby Registrations from 14th May 1878 - Parcel 9.
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2017, 10:16:30 PM »
Thank you very much for posting these final 4 design representations, Paul.

All added to the GMB RD database and, apart from RD 321378, to the Glass Queries Gallery Sowerby patterns album too.

So far, I have been unsuccessful in matching Sowerby RD 321378 to any pattern in the extant Sowerby pattern books.

Fred

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Re: Sowerby Registrations from 14th May 1878 - Parcel 9.
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2017, 08:13:09 AM »
massive thanks as usual Fred for all your hard work.             Sorry to hear 321378 is proving problematic  -  if you've failed then very unlikely I'll do any better, but if I get the time will cast an eye over the patterns.

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Re: Sowerby Registrations from 14th May 1878 - Parcel 9.
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2017, 02:11:53 PM »
no luck I'm afraid.         These twelve Registrations from Parcel 9 dated 14th May 1878, appear to have occurred too late to have found their way into Sowerby Pattern book No. VIII, and it looks as though they had to wait until the appearance of Pattern book No. IX in June 1882, before they were seen in print  -  at least I hope I have those dates correct.         
As far as Sowerby Pattern catalogues are concerned, Reg. 321378 should be seen in the vicinity of the other Nos. from Parcel 9 on 14th May 1878 -i.e. within the range of factory pattern Nos. 1302 - 1326, or very close by - most of which can be seen on page 6 of Pattern book IX.

Have exhausted my books searching for this one Fred, but have to say that I've not looked at the Thistlewood's CD catalogues  -  have you?

Are you aware of any known examples of Sowerby Registered patterns that in fact never made it into production?

 

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