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Offline millarart

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help id please
« on: December 17, 2017, 03:25:16 PM »
any ideas? it has a kinda ysart brothers look to it but probably just tat
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Re: help id please
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2017, 10:43:16 PM »
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The base is not the typical shape for any of the Scottish makers, and the design is unusual ... but I would not rule out Vasart.   An interesting piece.

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Re: help id please
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2017, 07:14:33 AM »
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Hi.

The base is not the typical shape for any of the Scottish makers, and the design is unusual ... but I would not rule out Vasart.   An interesting piece.

Alan
Alan I shall try and take a couple more base pictures at different angles so to make it out easier
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Re: help id please
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2017, 10:33:16 AM »
some more pics of base taken next to a vasart bros weight
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Re: help id please
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2017, 03:02:54 PM »
The additional photos are not quite in focus but do give a general idea of how a base finish can look from different angles and with different lighting direction. Sometimes the central area can appear to be raised (similar to the Ysart 1 inch round pontil "buttons") or can appear to be a shallow depression.

There are a variety of finishes for my own Ysart Brothers (or earlier) items but some do show a smooth(ish) ground central depression with rougher grinding marks on the outer parts of the base.

A couple of the extra photos also show that the flag (or jack) design is formed with the arms "floating" above the blue ground.

With those features taken together I think the weight could be a Salvador item - possibly -  maybe.
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Re: help id please
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2017, 04:10:29 PM »
Do you really think Salvador would have made such an inaccurate "flag"?
I normally consider his work to be rather superior. ;D
I was wondering a little about contemprary Caithness, but the base and again the inaccuracy of the representaion put me right off.
The Caithness ones I've seen in Crieff were much more accurate, although still not quite right, but enough to do for "bread and butter" bits.
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Re: help id please
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2017, 04:26:02 PM »
Do you really think Salvador would have made such an inaccurate "flag"?
I normally consider his work to be rather superior. ;D
I was wondering a little about contemprary Caithness, but the base and again the inaccuracy of the representaion put me right off.
The Caithness ones I've seen in Crieff were much more accurate, although still not quite right, but enough to do for "bread and butter" bits.
The additional photos are not quite in focus but do give a general idea of how a base finish can look from different angles and with different lighting direction. Sometimes the central area can appear to be raised (similar to the Ysart 1 inch round pontil "buttons") or can appear to be a shallow depression.

There are a variety of finishes for my own Ysart Brothers (or earlier) items but some do show a smooth(ish) ground central depression with rougher grinding marks on the outer parts of the base.

A couple of the extra photos also show that the flag (or jack) design is formed with the arms "floating" above the blue ground.

With those features taken together I think the weight could be a Salvador item - possibly -  maybe.
thanks Kev il try again in morning in daylight if we get any but yes its concaved pontil
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Re: help id please
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2017, 10:10:22 PM »
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I would never have accused Salvador of 'accuracy'! :-)

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Re: help id please
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2017, 12:13:45 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2017, 05:40:18 PM »
Perhaps "finesse" would be a better word to describe his work?
I do think his work stands out from the others, but pwts are not my thing at all.
This just doesn't look good enough for Salvador, (or any Ysart, I'm afraid) to me.
But I'll keep quiet and leave it to the rest of you.  ;D
You all know far more than I do about both weights and Ysarts.
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