Thanks Steve for your information.
Hopefully this query can now be closed and these two items will be put aside.
I'm currently trying to identify 60 odd glass items my father has given the go ahead to move on, some of which now appear to be duff.
I'll be posting some more unmarked glass soon for identifying. I've just started taking photos of my parents collection of 1500 pieces. Luckily most is logged in a book, but there around 250 with queries, so I may be on this site for a while if I cannot find pictures of them on the web.
Cheers