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Offline thewingedsphinx

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Loganberry pattern ? Sugar
« on: March 14, 2018, 06:43:37 PM »
Evening, after a couple of days looking for similar items Im still no further forward except I think the pattern is loganberries. Im not even sure if its Milk glass.
Theres a very small O and possible W on the base, which Ive had no luck identifying either. Has anyone any ideas or can point me in the direction of the maker and year.
Thanks very much

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Re: Loganberry pattern ? Sugar
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2018, 07:11:47 PM »
 :) It was the loganberries got me interested.  ;D
That might well be the pattern name, but the berries are not the right shape. Loganberries are big and long and they don't have very pointy ends - they're rounded.
We put some in the garden last year.

It does look like Milk glass. It doesn't look like Queen's Ivory, (to my very inexperienced eye) which would glow under UV.
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Re: Loganberry pattern ? Sugar
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2018, 10:31:33 PM »
Sue is quite correct about the glowing of QPIW, and it's a definite creamy colour anyway.               This piece may well simply be white Vitro-Porcelain  -  the difference compared to milk glass is that the edges of milk glass should appear a tad opalescent, whereas v.p. doesn't.

I always thought sugars were round, but no reason I suppose you couldn't have a rectangular example.

Regret I've no idea as to maker, at the moment, but will have a rifle through some of the patterns.         I've seen logan berries, but don't now recall the shape of the leaves.

sorry to be a whinge, but being old and thick I can't quite work out what I'm seeing in the pix  -  is the logan berries bit the bottom or the side, and what is the unmarked rectangular part - a side or bottom ;D

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Re: Loganberry pattern ? Sugar
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2018, 06:42:18 AM »
We had it down in our log book as a vase, but I don't know, I thought sugar ?
Vitro-porcelain seems likely.
Loganberries was the closest design I have come across.

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Re: Loganberry pattern ? Sugar
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2018, 08:32:51 AM »
I suspect they are brambles or blackberries. Loganberries would be a bit newfangled for the era of this piece. It has a very Sowerby to me but...

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Re: Loganberry pattern ? Sugar
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2018, 12:16:24 PM »
Loganberries are older than I first thought they were Christine, I checked when I wrote my response. And they originate in California, not Scotland as I had thought. (but we do have other delicious hybrids)
It was created accidentally in 1881, according to wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loganberry#Origin
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Re: Loganberry pattern ? Sugar
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2018, 12:46:00 PM »
think I now see how this piece is meant to appear when standing.                     There are two side wings oval in shape, each one showing fruit in relief - the front has the organ pipes and the base is rectangular and without any pattern  -  though still no idea as to what the back looks like  -  possibly more organ pipes.
I thought the shape looked a tad art deco, but just guessing there  -  I don't recall seeing any Sowerby in this unusual shape - and an absence of Rd. No. makes me think not that factory, but who knows. :)

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Re: Loganberry pattern ? Sugar
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2018, 05:03:24 PM »
Thanks for your comments, I discounted Sowerby and Davidson because of the o on the base, the material appears the same as the small Sowerby vase. Both oblong sides have the same fruit bush pattern.

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Re: Loganberry pattern ? Sugar
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2018, 09:18:46 PM »
Would appreciate any further comments on this piece which I found very close similarities with the more frequently seen Heppell water jugs. The material feel and pattern appear the same. So could this be Heppell, theres very little information available so help would be appreciated.cheers

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Re: Loganberry pattern ? Sugar
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2019, 09:18:30 PM »
W.H. Heppell Page 14 of Jenny Thompson Identification green book quotes rd 370524 1881 ( indistinct cradle shape) so taking into account of the previous picture comparisons I think this is Heppell.
Would welcome any other comments.
Several manufacturers made cradles or similar.
I think this is very rare and now gone back into dads collection.
Regards Mike

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