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Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« on: April 30, 2018, 01:19:24 PM »
Just got this today 90% certain baccarat date wise I was thinking pre 1800.  Very tall 42cm top is 19.5cm.  Opaline glass although maybe vitrified as has a porcelain look to it but the firey red glow in this def suggests lots bone ash.  Green is uranium seems to glow under UV light.  Something which is puzzling me and if anyone can mention why this is I would really appreciate it.  The glass looks as if it has lots of small chips all over to the naked eye,  but under a x10 loupe the glass seems like a crackle glass but shards have splintered off which makes it look as if it's chipped.  I'm lost on this one.  Been made in seems to be 3 parts all hand blown and wheel cut.  The green is a satin finish.  I have only come across a compote in this style but it has a snake around the waist.  umarked no design number.  Any input would be great.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2018, 04:57:44 PM »
The peculiar surface you mention sounds like what is called (age-related) crizzling.

Crizzling is also the name given to a deliberate technique in glassmaking, which involves plunging a hot gather into cold water to crack the surface, but I believe the name was taken from this sort of crizzling which is an age-related thing, because the sorts of older recipes of glass used were not so stable.
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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2018, 05:46:53 PM »
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many thanks for info.  It does look a bit like crackle glass but its def not the same plus there are black marks between the crizzling so it looks dirty plus unusual for it to flake/splinter off.  So I'm assuming as you have said the glass has become unstable and started to crizzle which would suggest its quite an old piece?
So it's quite a normal process?
It's a first for me as I have handled lots of glass but never seen this on glass before.   


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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 05:51:47 PM »
There are some good images of crizzled (also sometimes called "sick") glass and an explanation from Lustrousstone in this thread.

https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,63718.msg357363.html#msg357363
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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2018, 06:04:51 PM »
Many thanks yes that's exactly how mine looks.  Remarkable.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2018, 08:05:19 PM »
Pic under UV light

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2018, 10:39:29 PM »
not pre 1800.  Probably around 1850/60 I think.

How can you be 90% certain it is Baccarat please?


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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2018, 12:01:29 PM »
Can we see a photograph of the foot and base please and a description of how the base is finished.
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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2018, 06:57:18 PM »
Hi
cannot be 100% certain as there are no marks to the base although on older pieces this would not be uncommon.
The colour to me says baccarat opaline as I have had a few pieces with exactly the same hue.  The green also being fairly pastel in colour and the design.  Having looked through many catalogues I am unable to pin it down to an exact piece although there are similar designs.  I also came across a few pieces sold by reputable dealers which again same design one a compote the other a smaller version similar to this.
The foot is triple step.  Hollow underneath and flat cut and having a polished foot rim.  It could have been a one off, trial piece not really sure.  The folded rim and pineapple cut to me suggest baccarat style but!  Maybe Val St Lambert?  Although not really seen any pieces like this made by them.  Plus baccarat used uranium in some of their early pieces. 
If you can shed some light on the piece be much appreciated.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2018, 07:08:09 PM »
It has some similarities with this piece - however without having both in hand it is difficult admittedly:
http://www.annin-glass.cz/muzeum/#&gid=1&pid=2

http://www.annin-glass.cz/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Annin_150620_02.jpg

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