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Author Topic: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?  (Read 929 times)

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2018, 07:50:50 PM »
Well put spanner in the works!  Czech!  I'll get in touch with them see if can pin down a company date etc.  I'll keep you posted.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2018, 08:04:08 PM »
 Dumb me that is the company I was so excited I did not think to actually read.


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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2018, 08:10:17 PM »
Yes, it is in Czech.
I think in German language for this glass factory would be Annathal bei Schüttenhofen. (open to correction from anyone else)
That might help you search for more.
Again I think the factory might have been under Loetz. 
Sorry to be so vague but I'm not checking info and have been away from glass for a while.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2018, 08:54:21 PM »
A couple of things -
1) the pineapple bit in the middle, I can't remember seeing that on Bohemian glass but that's not saying much.   
2) Again the pineapple bit, the Baccarat ones I've seen I thought were less square edgy and more rounded pattern but again I haven't seen much.  Do you have the Baccarat book and is that bit the same as those in the book?
3) the crizzling - is that likely on Baccarat glass?  I have read about it happening in Bohemian glass but again, I'm not sure whether the author was referring to much earlier period stuff and that is something dredged up from memory.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2018, 09:26:44 PM »
Wish I did have baccarat book but very expensive.
Good point the cuts are sharp as opposed to polished off.
The catalogues I've gone through unfortunately are more drawings as opposed to detailed photos.
I suspect it is quite an early piece as as far as I am aware early glass would become unstable over time as it would have been at a time when they would be experimenting with glass mixtures I think that's right!  Does baccarat glass suffer crizzling?  Well again maybe very early pieces but unfortunately early pieces do not come up that often if at all.  I was lucky with this piece picked it up cheap but knew it was special.  I think looking at the pieces in the museum your spot on 're Czech.  I'll mail them tommoz with some pics and hopefully they will come back with some more info.  Might get them excited has me.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2018, 03:10:00 PM »
What you have is a pineapple stand, not a vase. Crizzling is not particularly age or manufacturer related; it's caused by a poor batch but does take a fair while to show up.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2018, 03:16:36 PM »
Thanks for info why pineapple stand did they actually serve pineapple from it?  Silly question but only logical explanation I can think of.  I still would say it's relatively old.

Any info from museum I will post.

Thanks for info.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2018, 03:26:24 PM »
Pineapples were a status symbol and displayed on the dining table. For a very long time, you were either rich enough to buy one or rich enough to own a suitable pineapple bed in a hothouse to grow them in. Whether they actually got eaten or just displayed for as long as possible is debatable, though perhaps when this was made they were not quite so prestigious. Datewise I would say late 1800s.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2018, 03:32:02 PM »
I think it's earlier Christine.  I think it's around 1860 ish.

For example there is a blue and white piece in Das Bohmische Glas Band III  pp 159 with a similar foot but no pineapple that is dated 1854-1860 'probably Schachtenbach'.
All the other pieces I've seen over time have been similarly dated to c.1860.
There are other pieces in the book in green and white also dated c.1860

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2018, 04:00:03 PM »
I was thinking circa 1840/60.  I do not believe it to be later than this.  The style shape colour was in fashion from 1790 through to 1860 from then on this style started to fall out of fashion.  If my research serves me right!
Personally I think it's a unique piece and to find similar examples intact and not damaged, (apart from crizzling) would be pretty difficult. 

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