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Author Topic: This doesn't happen any more ,does it?  (Read 1943 times)

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Offline bat20

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This doesn't happen any more ,does it?
« on: August 21, 2018, 03:51:13 PM »
Hi,I picked up this glass from a vintage /antique fair for £20 the other day and I can't find anything about it which doesn't date it to 1760,few seeds in the foot,the classic tooling marks on the bowl etc.There is no wear on the foot and I would have to say this glass has not been used from the day it was made with no black dirt on the broken Pontil or the other usual places?if it's a copy it's a very very good one.....am I missing something



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Re: This doesn't happen any more ,does it?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2018, 04:25:24 PM »
I know very little about this type of glass but they made very good copies of 18th century pieces in the 1930s, maybe it's one of those, I hope yours is 18th and been in a cabinet all this time ! ;D

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Re: This doesn't happen any more ,does it?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2018, 06:17:05 PM »
There have been a lot of copies at auction recently in the north west which is really odd especially when the auction houses are putting them all in general sales with no description.They were all very clean and worked as you state.Not saying you haven’t picked up a nice bargain as I’m no expert on glass of that period but there are as many copies around now than there have ever been.
I hope yours is a good one.
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Re: This doesn't happen any more ,does it?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2018, 08:27:26 PM »
Looks like it could be from 18th century - the conical foot and round funnel bowl on your glass are commonly found on opaque twist wine glasses from 1760-70. Does it ring when you tap it? If not possibly continental (Dutch) soda wine glass but still of that period.  Later copies have clumsy twists with brighter metal, yours looks legit

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Re: This doesn't happen any more ,does it?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2018, 09:50:04 PM »
Thanks for the replies,yes it has a ring,the twist runs in the right direction and in some replicas I see the opaque twist has a gap to the edge of the stem ,with this one it goes right to the side.It's difficult to see from a photo but the bowl has the classic wavy tooling marks and the odd vertical line.It's just that you'd expect everyone to thoroughly research a glass like this and I always like a bit of wear on the foot,although you do hear of glasses that have survived the centuries with no wear.Does seem odd ?but with the foot showing a couple of inclusions I really can't rule it out being a really good glass from 1760!??

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Re: This doesn't happen any more ,does it?
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2018, 07:10:54 AM »
Just as add on,I think it's a bucket bowl rather than funnel.?

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Re: This doesn't happen any more ,does it?
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2018, 07:31:35 AM »
Yeah either a bucket or round funnel, I find it hard to distinguish the difference to be honest :) I wouldn't worry about wear , if the foot doesn't sit flush with the surface it only wears on the point that touches the surface and can be hard to spot. I usually use my finger to find wear instead of looking to be honest.  Also it depends on what kind of life the glass has had, I've had early 18th century glasses with very little wear on them so wear isn't always the best way to determine age imo. Maybe the seller doesn't specialise in glass and needed a quick sale?

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Re: This doesn't happen any more ,does it?
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2018, 10:13:44 AM »
I think it is bucket,I tend to go on the flat inside base.It's just over 15cm high so a small bowl,I'm not sure if it would be a port or cordial?Thanks for your input TGS,it's nice to have someone interested in this area and willing to comment,thanks.

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Re: This doesn't happen any more ,does it?
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2018, 04:19:09 PM »
No probs happy to help when I can :)

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Re: This doesn't happen any more ,does it?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2018, 07:24:52 PM »
Hi, about a year ago I saw a composite airtwist knopped stem glass for £35 in an antique emporium from a seller who just sold glass. I rejected it at the time as there was zero foot wear, even when viewed with a loop...and I assumed the seller knew their business. I wish I’d bought it now, even if it was a repro as it was quality - I wouldn’t want to make your glass for £20.

In my experience, you need to hold the glass in question in one hand and compare it to a similar glass that is beyond doubt in the other hand. It’s very tempting to believe you have the exception. The trouble is, if someone unscrupulous had bought your glass then they could spend an hour or two rubbing it on a flat stone to add some age. Puts me off spending much on Georgian glasses.
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