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Offline Derek

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More fake Baccarat's ID = not fakes
« on: October 27, 2018, 03:52:58 PM »
Hi all

You will recall that a few years ago GMB members spotted several fake Baccarat's being listed on E-bay over a period of some months.

I was checking through the auction listings on saleroom.com when I came across this listing from a Canadian auction house .....

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/waddingtons-auctioneers-and-appraisers/catalogue-id-srwad10043/lot-f6caef78-d987-405b-b99d-a9830110d7b0?utm_source=auction-alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=auction-alert&utm_content=lot-image-link

Description lot 245 says "Four Concentric Millefiori Glass Paperweights, 20th century
approx. diameter 2.8" 7 cm., spurious acid-stamped Baccarat marks"

Observations...

1) the four weights are substantially smaller than other fakes that had previously been  identified on GMB.

2) An auction house spotting fakes - thats new!

3) the canes don't look murano to me unlike the previous fakes where the canes  were clearly of murano origin.
Look  at the royal blue/white ones on the bottom row, quite similar to baccarat.

Questions

1) Is this a different faking operation?

2) Why are four being sold at the same time and presumably the seller had alerted
     the auction house that the weights were not genuine Baccarat?

3) Does anyone recognise the source of the canes.

I will be interested to read members views.

Best regards

Derek

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Offline Nick77

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Re: More fake Baccarat's
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2018, 04:08:06 PM »
They're not fakes, these are genuine 1950's - 70's (give or take a few years) Baccarat weights, when they did indeed use an acid etched mark. The fakes are very obvious Murano weights that someone (they mostly turn up in the USA) has made a stecil and etches a fake logo on.

Nick

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Re: More fake Baccarat's
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2018, 09:02:40 PM »
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I saw these and thought they were all genuine 1950s-1960s Baccarat pieces (which are pretty modest quality pieces, to be honest) - I have had several similar examples.  So it was ironic that an auction house identified genuine pieces as fakes!

Alan
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Offline Derek

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Re: More fake Baccarat's
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2018, 10:32:35 PM »
Thanks Nick and Alan

I didn't even think of them being Baccarat as the setups were so poor!

I can only think that the seller told the auction house to describe them as fakes
as even the top auction houses have little if any expertise in paperweight identification.

But why? the seller had presumably acquiired them as genuine Baccarat's  and the fake
acid etched marks being applied with either a rubber stamp or a paper mask, are fairly
easy to tell apart from the real ones

So even if he/she suspected they were fake a few minutes searching on the internet
would have revealed that the marks were genuine.

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Derek


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Re: More fake Baccarat's
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2018, 11:05:27 AM »
Hi all,

These are definitely Baccarat of the 50/60s period. I have warned the auction house about this.

The reason these are of 'limited' quality is that the factory had just restarted making paperweight. I understand that all the knowledge about canes, lampwork and paperweight making in general had been lost in the intervening period and they had to start more or less from scratch.

Anyway don't forget to have a look at the other glass lots in this auction: they are absolutely gorgeous.

SophieB

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Re: More fake Baccarat's
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2018, 05:55:37 PM »
Yes, i've seen this before.  :-X
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