Author Topic: Scottish paperweight puzzle... ID = Caithness "Zodiac" Collection  (Read 4520 times)

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Offline Wuff

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Re: Scottish paperweight puzzle... =Perthshire NO Caithness
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2012, 05:32:10 PM »
No - it's Virgo - see cutout images below.
I would very much appreciate your permission to use your image for Scotland's Glass, though - mentioning you as copyright holder, of course.
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Re: Scottish paperweight puzzle... =Perthshire NO Caithness
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2012, 06:11:48 PM »
Silly me - not only do I know very little about paperweights, I know much less about astrology type stuff. As ever with your good self more than happy for you to use the image, either the one I've put on this thread or I'll try to get a better larger version and email it to you.
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Re: Scottish paperweight puzzle... =Perthshire NO Caithness
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2012, 07:39:56 PM »
Silly me - not only do I know very little about paperweights, I know much less about astrology type stuff.
Not to worry - almost all I know about astrology is the Caithness Zodiac weight(s).

.. or I'll try to get a better larger version and email it to you.
Alastair
Higher resolution images are always better: you find an email button for me in the left hand column.
Thank you very much, and best regards - Wolf
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Re: Scottish paperweight puzzle... =Perthshire NO Caithness
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2012, 08:19:53 PM »
Full size pictures have been sent Wuff.
But should have added for here that this weight measures 2 3/4ins wide x 2ins high. Has been tricky (even with the cornflour thing) to get a decent picture of the markings but an attempt at it here.
Alastair

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Re: Scottish paperweight puzzle... =Perthshire NO Caithness
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2012, 10:42:04 PM »
OK, just to confuse matters more,  I have a "Whitefriars" Zodiac weight from the Caithness period with the same zodiac canes and a Whitefriars 1983 signature cane.  On lace with a threaded overlay. 
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Re: Scottish paperweight puzzle... =Perthshire NO Caithness
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2012, 10:51:04 PM »
Correct - that's the "official" Zodiac weight - see Scotland's Glass.
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Re: Scottish paperweight puzzle... =Perthshire NO Caithness
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2012, 11:25:37 PM »
Wuff, do you want pics of mine at the top of the topic? If so I can email some over for you.


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Re: Scottish paperweight puzzle... =Perthshire NO Caithness
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2012, 07:48:43 AM »
Wuff, do you want pics of mine at the top of the topic? If so I can email some over for you.
That would be appreciated - though they will not be published on Scotland's Glass immediately: one reason is the backlog of images we have there already; but then this is a somewhat confusing story, as already indicated by this thread. There doesn't seem to be just a few "homers" ... by now I have images of 6 different zodiac signs (own one myself), including several with the official "Caithness - ZODIAC - Scotland" marking to the base - and one marked "Artist's Proof" and sold in 2007 when the Caithness Museum was sold.
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Re: Scottish paperweight puzzle... =Perthshire NO Caithness
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2012, 08:00:44 AM »
However, having perused my Caithness references, I would add that the design "Initial" had 6 surrounding canes rather than 5 and had a base of coloured ribbon twists rather than spaced filgree, which is a predominate feature of Anne's. (The idea for the "Initial" weight was that the customer could request a personal initial to be placed as the central cane, hence the name.)

There was also another design in 1981 called "The Glassmaker" which used a very similar ribbon twist base as "Initial" but this did have a 5-cane surround. (This latter design used silhouette canes depicting glass making tools.)

I'm not suggesting that Allan's information is incorrect. But perhaps whoever made Anne's weight could have based the design on a memory of at least a couple of weights rather than one specific one?

The spaced filgree is taken from Zodiac, and differs from Initial and Glassmaker - so obviously features of different designs were used. The number of surrounding canes does not point to a specific pattern - these "single Zodiac" weights exist with both, 5 and 6 surrounding canes. The idea of it, I guess, is that of Initial: like the customer buying a weight with his (or his friend's) initial in the centre, he would get his (or his friend's) zodiac sign in the centre.
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Re: Scottish paperweight puzzle... =Perthshire NO Caithness
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2012, 05:54:13 PM »
For reference and with thanks to Wuff for the handy hint to scan tricky to read marks and his deftness with my scanned image, here is a much improved picture of the marks. Maybe some clever person could delete my rubbish effort further up this thread or I suppose it could be left as an object lesson in how not to do it.  :)
Alastair

 

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