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Offline Barmy

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Help needed with new to me carafe
« on: March 06, 2019, 04:43:52 PM »
I purchased this carafe/decanter this past weekend mainly because of its colour.  It is mainly black with a slight blue hew in normal room light, but, has a beautiful blue colour in the bright sun.  It stands about 7 inches tall.  There are no identification marks on it.  Any idea of origin and age?
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Re: Help needed with new to me carafe
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2019, 05:16:50 AM »
From the wear scratches on the 'ring' makes me think it had a drinking glass topper.  Pretty cool though.
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Re: Help needed with new to me carafe
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2019, 09:50:22 AM »
Looks like it could be a variation on this one, think the consensus was Bohemian in the end:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,65575.0.html

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Re: Help needed with new to me carafe
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2019, 02:07:27 PM »
I'm a rookie when it comes to glass.  I can see the functionally that a glass would sit on it's shoulder.  But when I look at the links provided, I see the discussion was mainly on the colour patterns of the glass.  When I look at my carafe in the bright sun light (the pictures were deliberately taken in the sun light because the colour doesn't show very well in normal room light), the colour appears blue with a purplish hue.  Because of the colour and what I can find on the internet, I would think that the carafe originated in Bristol.  Am I taking my definition of "Bohemian"  as Czech wrong?

I don't want anyone to take this as a criticism.  I just want to understand your methodology concluding with Bohemian.
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Re: Help needed with new to me carafe
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2019, 03:02:08 PM »
Bohemian and Czech essentially refer to the same region but at a different period in time, Bohemian would be before around 1918 and Czech after that date.

When it comes to Bristol, Bristol Blue and sometimes Bristol Green is a reference to a particular colour rather than the place of manufacture. The raw ingredients to colour the glass were imported through Bristol Docks and this is how the names grew.

Your carafe has the same shape to the pair in the link and was in my opinion likely to have been made by the same manufacturer, that could have been Josephinenhutte - sometimes shortened to Josephine.

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Re: Help needed with new to me carafe
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2019, 07:29:14 PM »
Again I'm just trying to understand what to look for.

When I look at mine versus the ones in the link, to me, mine looks like the neck of the carafe is shorter and the base more bulbous.  The ring on my neck also seems a bit thicker. 

So in general they take the same shape, but there are differences.  Would these differences perhaps lead to a different source???
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Re: Help needed with new to me carafe
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2019, 07:45:35 AM »
They could always be by different makers, with identification an open mind is recommended! Minor variations are typical of handmade glass though, it can be tricky to make definite comparisons with differences in photography, angles, focal length etc can all have a subtle visual effect.

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Re: Help needed with new to me carafe
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2019, 11:33:43 AM »
Are there any good reference books I should be looking at in the future to help me with carafe identification?
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Re: Help needed with new to me carafe
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2019, 06:33:47 PM »
For carafes - not that I know of.

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Re: Help needed with new to me carafe
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2019, 07:51:07 PM »
Thank you for your help..... :)
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