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Author Topic: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?  (Read 500 times)

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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2019, 07:02:11 AM »
Hi m (flying free).
I've done a fair amount of searching (via the internet) and have yet to make a match of my Theresienthal roemers.
Do you have a route by which I may ask Stephan to provide an opinion? I tried the information address (info@roemer-aus-theresienthal.de) on the website you provided but was unable to solicit a response.
Many thank
Jack

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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2019, 09:16:26 PM »
No, I'm sorry.  All you can do is keep searching and hope Stephan replies.
There is another one here, again a slightly taller one but only by 5mm than yours but much shorter than the one you show from the Theresienthal site and the bowl shape is remarkably similar to your glass.  Again the same stem design:

https://antikes-glas.de/en/theresienthal/theresienthaler-romans-with-articulated-shaft-schinkel-around-1890-p-2196.html

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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2019, 09:32:27 PM »
see my post above please and also to add, there are four here on the site, all different sizes and slightly different proportions on the stem but the stem is the same design and has all the same elements making up the complete stem as yours does:

http://www.roemer-aus-theresienthal.de/historismusschinkel.html

From what I can deduce the design dates to c.1890 and was designed by Schinkel.  The original pattern sheet is shown on that page showing the handrawn design.

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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2019, 09:54:58 AM »
Hi m.
Thank you so much for taking the trouble, those site are most interesting and I will indeed continue my quest.
Whilst, with your help, I am quite confident about the Theresienthal/Schinkel nature of my glasses, it would be nice to establish when in the production of this design they were created.
Again, my thanks for your knowledge and assistance.
Jack.

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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Theresienthaler Romans?
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2019, 06:47:10 AM »
Hi m (flying free), just an update after you have taken such trouble to assist me...

Stephan has responded to my enquiry and states "In my view, the Roman does not come from Theresienthal, although [it] looks similar, [it] does not resemble the Kuppa [on] the Theresienthaler Romans."

This is interesting as the link you kindly provided (https://antikes-glas.de/en/theresienthal/theresienthaler-romans-with-articulated-shaft-schinkel-around-1890-p-2196.html) perfectly reflects the same shape 'kuppa' as on my glasses (I'm assuming cuppa refers to the bowl of the glass).

So...contrary to my last post and my Theresienthal confidence, the mystery continues.

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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2019, 07:19:26 AM »
ah ...hmmm ... back to the drawing board then for now.
No comment from Stephan on the colour not being right, so the stem, the colour seem to be ok for Theresienthal but it hangs on the bowl shape not being one of their shapes.  So if it is not Theresienthal, then we are looking for a maker that did remarkably similar stem shapes to the Schinkel design but with a bowl shape like yours.  That could be hard to pin down!

So, another place to look might be on Pressglas Korrespondenz where iirc they have done some research on possible Theresienthal glasses.

I don't have time at the moment but if I remember and I do get time I will try and look up any research they might have had.


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Re: Set of Hock Glasses - Powell/Whitefriars?
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2019, 07:37:24 AM »
Good morning m.

No other comments from Stephan other than the sentence I copied below; so presumably (as you say) the colour is not an issue.

I'm quite surprised how difficult it is to identify such a striking design. I must assume the design was very popular and either copied by others, or copied by Theresienthal.

Thank you for the Pressglas Korrespondenz connection: I have visited their website. Being a German site and me being multi-lingually challenged, I have had to rely upon the Google translator, which sometimes make it difficult to follow the dialogue. Nonetheless, I have found contact details and will try and solicit some information. I'll let you know what happens.

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Jack

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