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Author Topic: Ouraline honeycomb pattern wine glasses  (Read 3960 times)

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Offline Wynkin

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Re: Ouraline honeycomb pattern wine glasses
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2019, 06:42:26 PM »
I'll take your advice and try and enhance the T, tomorrow.

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Re: Ouraline honeycomb pattern wine glasses
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2019, 01:29:18 PM »
Here is the foot of the glass, I used black oil paint.

Hope you can see the T.

The first photo is the three sorts of glasses I have found with different bowl shape and stem decoration.

The glass in the center has a ring rather than a bulb on the stem.

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Re: Ouraline honeycomb pattern wine glasses
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2019, 02:06:10 PM »
 :) That is a shear mark, from cutting hot glass, not a T.

Many people before you have seen this sort of mark and thought it was a T or a Y, or sometimes an L.
I'm afraid I was suspicious as soon as you described it, because of how common a mistake this can be.

I do hope you can get the black paint off!
Cheers, Sue (M)

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Re: Ouraline honeycomb pattern wine glasses
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2019, 03:45:48 PM »
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I do hope you can get the black paint off!
In the old days I would have used T-Cut. ;D ;D ... and I see it's still available!
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Re: Ouraline honeycomb pattern wine glasses
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2019, 04:01:41 PM »
 ::) Oooooh Kevin, you are awful;D
Cheers, Sue (M)

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Re: Ouraline honeycomb pattern wine glasses
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2019, 05:22:50 PM »


Thanks for your help and knowledge, I have some hand made glasses but they are not made the same way.

Now I just need to find the maker, they are not common but there are a few about, crazy prices though 60 -160 euros.

The glass is relaxing in bath of white spirit.

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Re: Ouraline honeycomb pattern wine glasses
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2019, 05:27:41 PM »
Different makers will use different finishing techniques.

I think finding the maker might be difficult. But we don't give up here!
I think "we" (it was another very dedicated member) have just solved another mystery, after 30 years.
Cheers, Sue (M)

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Re: Ouraline honeycomb pattern wine glasses
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2019, 09:25:34 PM »
I appreciate your knowledge and willingness to share,  I will endeavour to do the same.

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Re: Ouraline honeycomb pattern wine glasses
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2019, 10:59:36 PM »
ooh they are interesting.
They look old.  If you are seeing them around then it's possible they are French?

I have a book with some French glasses in. I'll have a look and see if there is anything in there.

I presume they were created in three sections, bowl,stem and foot.  Perhaps the ball in the ball was an error in the making of the piece?  I dont know if that is possible but it might be.  They don't look perfectly symmetrical in the making.  By that I mean that looking at stemmed bowls and glass in the book which date to c.1840 ish, they are pretty symmetrical and refined.  Your glasses look a bit more rustic by comparison. So for example what I mean is, this is the book:
https://verrehistoire.typepad.com/files/leon_darnis.pdf

many of the pieces pictured on that link were created early 1800s, you can see how symmetrical they are by comparison.

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Re: Ouraline honeycomb pattern wine glasses
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2019, 11:35:07 PM »
hi, there is a fairly large explanation in the book about uranium glass.  Unfortunately my French is not good enough to read and translate.  It does appear to say that uranium glass came about in France by Bontemps for Choisy:

'En France, le ouraline fut redecouverte en 1838 par Bontemps dans sa cristallerie de Choisy-Le-Roi'  pp12 BAGUIERS et VERRE A BOITE, L. Darnis

There are a number of transparent (not opaline) uranium glass pieces in the book, both footed bowl and also goblets.  They date to 1838 - c. 1840s as far as I can see, but they are all very 'refined' and very symmetrical.  None are like your glasses.  None are a honeycomb molded bowl.

Sorry not to be more helpful. 

 

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