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Author Topic: Very nice art deco coupe need some idd help please  (Read 172 times)

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Offline floreke

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Very nice art deco coupe need some idd help please
« on: July 08, 2019, 06:06:55 PM »
Hello ,

I have find a very beautiful art deco coupe in molded glas .
Is there anyone who has seen this coupe before ?
Origine ?
Some info is very appriciated !!
Sorry for the spelling foulds ,i'm not englisch .
Regards Cliff

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Re: Very nice art deco coupe need some idd help please
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2019, 12:32:02 PM »
hello Cliff  -  I've long ceased my contributions to GMB - and regret to say that although I could love your bowl intensely - there are occasions IMHO when there is a need, out of politeness and admiration, to congratulate someone on their post - so whilst I'm unable to help you remotely, here is my two pfennigs worth.

this rather rich plum/damson is striking, and quite possibly owes its origin to something like manganese or nickel oxides -  I seem to remember that whilst you can use manganese oxide to decolourize the unwanted shades caused by impurities in the sand - if there is an excess of the oxide you end up with something like the colour of your bowl.            Assume your colour isn't caused by flashing or staining, and that the colour is throughout the thickness of the glass  -  sorry, just realized that the 'feather' handles appear to be 'cut to clear' - or do I have that wrong?

Grateful if you will explain your meaning of the word 'coupe'  -  it's not derived from a British origin  -  French possibly - assume it's used to describe an open bowl shape - as when used regarding the shape of a Champagne coupe.

Wouldn't worry about your less than perfect English, it's very good  -  if we could speak and write Belgian to your standard of English - we'd be more than happy.

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Re: Very nice art deco coupe need some idd help please
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2019, 02:45:47 PM »
Hello Paul ,

First , we say coupe in Belgium and France  and like you say in United kingdom is " bowl " the correct word .

Moulded glass has alway's a line were the 2 parts were put together like you say ,and maybe thats the reason that they place a beautifull
handels on the bowl .

Very technical explanation ,had to read it 3 times :)

Thanks Paul !!

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Re: Very nice art deco coupe need some idd help please
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2019, 04:07:51 PM »
Hi  - yes, I think the word bowl is adequate, and guess you have found only two mould seams on this bowl.           Some of the pre WW II Brockwitz bowl designs were very ornate, with complex looking handles which had the appearance of have been applied separately after the bowl had been made, though I think those moulds did incorporate the handles, rather than the handles being applied separately, afterwards.                 I'm slightly confused as to the appearance of clear glass on parts of your handles - perhaps you can explain to us why the top parts should appear clear - is it, for example, simply that the glass is thin in those areas?

There may be some people who might suggest this design isn't art deco, so would you like to tell us what are the features of your bowl that convince you to think deco?  :) :)

You may have already looked at the pressglas-pavillon.de curated by Pamela Wessendorf  -  I don't see your bowl there  -  in either the attributed or unknown sections  ..............    but if you've not previously seen this amazing resource do have a look.         Unfortunately, the world is awash with bowls, and yours may remain unknown, unfortunately.

Apologies if this text proves too difficult for you  -  you might care to use one of the internet translation sites to convert  -  but it's not compulsory to reply.  :)

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Re: Very nice art deco coupe need some idd help please
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2019, 09:36:38 PM »
I know it's not a good idea to I.D based simply on two pieces looking similar but as no-one other than Paul has replied with a possible answer perhaps this candle holder might give you a second possibility to look into.

After I had bought it the seller very kindly contacted me with a picture of a page from the Inwald 1940 catalogue, showing the identical holder.

Apparently he got it from another member of a Facebook Art Deco Glass Collectors Group to which he belongs.

I hope this helps you with your search.

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Re: Very nice art deco coupe need some idd help please
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2019, 09:45:46 PM »
Sorry, perhaps I should make it clear that the seller got the illustration from the catalogue from the Facebook group.  Not the candleholder.
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Dave.

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Re: Very nice art deco coupe need some idd help please
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2019, 09:55:30 PM »
Cliff, what's the base of your piece like please? Can you add a photo showing how it's finished?
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Re: Very nice art deco coupe need some idd help please
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2019, 02:48:15 AM »
I think the Inwald attribution is likely. The candleholder is shown as no. 11496 in the extract of the 1940 Inwald catalogue on Pressglas-Korrespondenz here (the full catalogue should be available to subscribers): https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/archiv/pdf/pk-2013-1w-01-mb-inwald-1940-pressglas.pdf

There is also a lidded pot: no. 11947/8, which appears to be a variant of the same pattern.

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Re: Very nice art deco coupe need some idd help please
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2019, 01:44:40 PM »
I realy think we are on the wright track !!!
Dont know if the pictures are good enough...

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Re: Very nice art deco coupe need some idd help please
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2019, 09:25:59 PM »
I think the Inwald attribution is likely. The candleholder is shown as no. 11496 in the extract of the 1940 Inwald catalogue on Pressglas-Korrespondenz here (the full catalogue should be available to subscribers): https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/archiv/pdf/pk-2013-1w-01-mb-inwald-1940-pressglas.pdf

There is also a lidded pot: no. 11947/8, which appears to be a variant of the same pattern.


Could the 11991 vase on T16 be another?

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