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Offline Cathybee

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great-grandmother's vase - ID = Mont Joye by Legras
« on: August 27, 2019, 08:34:46 PM »
Could this be Legras? I see no maker's mark. Any suggestions for how to find provenance would be welcome.

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Re: great-grandmother's vase - ID = Mont Joye by Legras
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2019, 10:15:57 PM »
Hello and welcome.

Please post a picture of the base of your piece - even if there is nothing written on it.

Thank you
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Re: great-grandmother's vase - ID = Mont Joye by Legras
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2019, 01:22:49 PM »
I think it's Montjoye, a series or brand by Auguste Heiligenstein for Legras. The signature's normally gold painted but wears off with time.

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Re: great-grandmother's vase - ID = Mont Joye by Legras
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2019, 02:26:51 PM »
I hope these pictures help.

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Re: great-grandmother's vase - ID = Mont Joye by Legras
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2019, 02:27:33 PM »
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Re: great-grandmother's vase - ID = Mont Joye by Legras
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2019, 05:00:04 PM »
Thank you for the images.

It is Montjoye definitely. Legras did a special limited range of objects,  in this style with these techniques,  called Montjoye. Again, the mark wears off with time, so it isn't a problem that your vase has no signature anymore, the style, decor and finishes are typical.

From the images I get the idea that it is quite a substantial vase, just out of curiosity, could you confirm the height please?

Your great-grandmother left you a nice piece, take care of it as it is a valuable one.

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2019, 07:08:28 PM »
It measures 49 cms. 

Any resources suggested for learning about care for such item? Insurance?  I'd also love to find out how it came to be in the USA (Philadelphia area) . . . through an old catalogue of an exhibition, etc.

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Re: great-grandmother's vase - ID = Mont Joye by Legras
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2019, 09:10:57 PM »
 :o oh wow, I thought it was big but not as much as that...that's a very respectable size.

Just for your information, Montjoye was Legras's top range. A limited production with thick and often acid satin finish glass, decorated with enamel and often gold. The rim that is decorated with gold specks is called in french 'putoisé' and the gold decor is called 'Rocaille'. The irises are a regular theme and here enamelled. It is a very nice example from what I see on the images and you have a serious piece of glass here.

To answer your third question, that's difficult to answer...if only these pieces could talk, right? It could have been transported when people moved country, especially during the war this happened a lot....bought on a trip or maybe Legras did have an outlet in the States at  some stage … impossible to tell you with so many possibilities.

For insurance purposes I would not know how this works in the States, but I'm sure you could get information from your insurance company. Maybe they'll refer you to their valuer or a registered antiquarian that they work with. You can get an idea of the going rates on Ebay.

For cleaning purposes, just a damp cloth would suffice. If you do want to use washing-up liquid and give it a good clean, then please put a soft cloth in the sink to place it on and one to clean it with, and for goodness sake, please be careful with the tap. 9 out of 10 pieces get damaged on the rim by hitting the tap. Gold doesn't change colour as it ages, so you don't have to scrub it. If the vase does show some age at some stage, all the better imo, it is in the end a production from roughly 1890-1900 and that's part of its character and again, imo, beauty but that is a personal choice.

It is unusual to see such a piece in this condition and I congratulate you for it...enjoy it, your vase is something that deserves to be looked after.

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Re: great-grandmother's vase - ID = Mont Joye by Legras
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2019, 09:27:12 PM »

I use a fresh microfibre cloth, wrung out in warm water and gently wipe enamel pieces very carefully. Being ultra careful around the enamel and gilding. I would wipe the face of each piece of enamel avoiding any gilding rather than just wiping all over if you see what I mean.
The enamel and gold is fragile and can be damaged.  I am careful not to touch them too much as well after being cleaned.

It's a fab vase.

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Re: great-grandmother's vase - ID = Mont Joye by Legras
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2019, 09:37:06 PM »
You're right M, it is a fab vase.

You can clean the gold, just don't rub it to make it more shiny because then you'll damage it.

Thank you so much for showing your vase, it made my day and I love the fact that it comes from your great-grandmother, she had good taste, an eye for investment but I hope, even though I haven't got anything to say about it, that it would pass on in your family from generation to generation. It needs to be cherished and looked after as it is a special piece.

 

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