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« on: August 27, 2006, 03:28:18 PM »
Can't find this one, maybe I'm not looking in the right place  :(  Plain inside, quite nice irridescence
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2006, 04:02:41 PM »
Is this not one of the melon ribbed patterns which Glen mentioned a few days ago Christine or am I on the wrong trail?


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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2006, 07:00:35 PM »
This is quite interesting.

First of all, Anne, I take your point exactly that it is like the Melon Rib pieces we were discussing. The Carnival vases (mainly found in Australia) that bear the name Melon Rib (given by collectors) have horizontal ribs/panels. But these vertical ribs are what glass collectors more often refer to as Melon Ribs.

But, we all know how contrary Carnival collectors can be  :lol:  and I think this item that you've found, Christine, is actually Imperial Glass' Pillar Flute pattern (Imperial's #682).

It gets interesting though, as it is not the shape usually known as the sugar bowl. There is a 2 handled sugar that matches a little creamer. These two items have stubby squared off feet. Then there are bowls - mostly on a collar base. But your piece has a distinctive plinth type of foot. Most items in the range do not have that foot - except for two pieces I can see that have the exact same one that yours has. One is a 7" flared (very low and wide) comport - the other is more like yours, but with a slight outward flare at the top - and the shape is descibed as a mayonnaise (there was also a small ladle).

So I think that's what you have - a cupped in mayonnaise dish. Bring on the Hellmann's!

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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2006, 07:24:29 PM »
Thanks Glen. Maybe it was a UK import - there was one exactly the same on ebay .co.uk last week that didn't sell. It's a common sort of UK sugar bowl shape

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330016498478


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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2006, 07:32:55 PM »
Definitely an import. Masses of Imperial's Carnival came to the UK (and I mean masses).

The shape matches the basic European sugar form, I agree. But it isn't the more often seen sugar in Imperial's Pillar Flute line.

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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2006, 07:35:39 PM »
On a slight sidetrack, having been to DD's site to check out the Pillar flute, the Fenton peacock tail on his home page looks just like mine - a pale peach colour. Except this one is supposed to be peach opal, now I thought peach opal had whitish edges (as Davidson pearline). Is this just a poor photo or am I wrong?


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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2006, 07:47:41 PM »
Peach opal is essentially marigold iridescence on opalescent glass. It ranges from pale marigold through to deep intense pumpkin. To be opalescent it must have the white edges (and often opal shows on other high points too).

Fenton made a small amount of peach opal. Dugan made the most. Fenton's peach opal may often be just a delicate hint of opalescence. It would be very rare to find it on Peacock Tails.

I hope my ID of Pillar Flute checked out for you!!

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2006, 08:01:55 PM »
Of course it checked out!  :lol: I wasn't checking up, just wondering why I hadn't worked it out. Thanks re peach opal


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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2006, 08:12:28 PM »
Those ribbed/panel etc., patterns are not easy to ID. It gets even worse when you start to add in all the vases (Fine Rib, Thin Rib, Wide Rib etc.,) My friend, Joan Doty (THE Carnival Vase expert) wrote an article for our NetworK journal some years back on how to identify the various ribbed vases. I have to refer to it for one or two of them, as some patterns are so hard to remember.

Re. Fenton's peach opal - from time to time, it's possible to come across the Peacock & Grape and Dragon & Lotus bowls in peach opal (and VASELINE opal). Worth grabbing if you find one!

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