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Offline Bernard C

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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2006, 11:27:51 PM »
Pat — OK, just for you.

Back in 1998 Sotheby's made the same assumption as Adam above — that the Royal Brierley factory collection contained Royal Brierley / Stevens and Williams glass.   However the Waterlily epergne carried a design registration number 409769 punched into the gilt metal stems.   This registration was made on 9th May 1903 by John Walsh Walsh, not Stevens and Williams.    Incidentally, after the auction Simon Cottle, head of glass at Sotheby's, publicly apologised for the error, a record in itself, as I have yet to hear of any other occasion where an auctioneer apologised for getting it wrong.   This makes me his number one fan!   See Reynolds pl. 10 for a small version of this epergne.

Virtually all English late Victorian or early C20 Stourbridge-type unattributed fancy glass is described by US regional auction houses as either Webb or Stevens and Williams, whereas here in Britain our auctioneers choose from a longer list, which has the strange effect of making their attributions seem more authentic.    The Dallas epergne was again by John Walsh Walsh, in a type of glass Walsh called Sateen, launched in the June 1886 edition of the Pottery Gazette.   Eric Reynolds discovered positive proof of all this in 2000 in the records of a Sheffield electroplating company, since when Walsh Sateen glass has become reasonably well-known and collectable in its own right.

So that's it.   I look forward to the day when Walsh auction records are set by Walsh glass actually attributed by the auctioneer to Walsh, but that could still be a long way off!

My compliments to you all on your ingenious solutions.

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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2006, 12:01:36 AM »
E-Bay newbie here.  :roll:  :oops:

What's a buyer's premium? A kickback? A minimum bid? All I know is when I have won an auction, what I bid is what I pay (plus shipping and handling, of course).

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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2006, 01:14:10 AM »
A buyer's premium is a percentage brick and mortar auction houses add on top of the hammer price - usually between 10 and 20 % of the hammer price, some auction houses acually charge both the seller a % as well as the buyer, with the really greedy ones charging a hammer fee on top of everything else.



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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2006, 01:26:55 AM »
It's also known around here as a buyer's penalty.


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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2006, 08:50:16 AM »
What a stunning piece to bring to our attention,Bernard, it's truly gorgeous!
Am I the only one to compliment it for it's beauty & workmanship?
Now, I have a small bowl in this same glass, & it looks just like the pink posy bowls on this epergne except it's chartreuse green. I assumed it was a rose bowl, but was it once part of an item like this?
Would the bowls on this epergne be all in one piece with their lily-pad bases?
Or perhaps joined by a metal fitting?
My Sateen bowl doesn't look like it had anything joined to it's base, so perhaps these bowls were also made as separate items also?
B.T.W, this same live auction had some other fantastic Victorian art glass; I was watching a lot of 2 very nice Peloton glass vases.
Watching being the operative word here- they were a tad out of my price range! :roll:
Marinka.
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« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2006, 08:53:12 AM »
Quote from: "alexander"
A buyer's premium is a percentage brick and mortar auction houses add on top of the hammer price - usually between 10 and 20 % of the hammer price, some auction houses acually charge both the seller a % as well as the buyer, with the really greedy ones charging a hammer fee on top of everything else.



Alexander


plus a minimum lotting fee, plus insurance, plus plus plus...

no wonder all their suits look rather Savile Row...

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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2006, 09:04:32 AM »
Back again! :)
Just remembered I still had this on my watch list from months ago-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180020481391

Exactly the same as my rose bowl, which was why I was checking it out to see what it went for.......mine was from an antique shop closing down, so fairly reasonably priced. Anyway, it's another mistaken attribution to Webb of this type of glass. :wink:
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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2006, 10:18:00 AM »
Quote from: "heartofglass"
Now, I have a small bowl in this same glass, & it looks just like the pink posy bowls on this epergne except it's chartreuse green. I assumed it was a rose bowl, but was it once part of an item like this?
Would the bowls on this epergne be all in one piece with their lily-pad bases?
Or perhaps joined by a metal fitting?
My Sateen bowl doesn't look like it had anything joined to it's base, so perhaps these bowls were also made as separate items also? ...

Marinka — It is most frustrating.   There is no real hint in the three pictures as to how it was all joined up, or what the feet are like.

I've seen the small bowls and other shapes in blue, crimson, golden-brown, green, white, and yellow, both on their own and with green underplates with two or three turn-ups, mostly in photographs, but one or two in the flesh.   The large central vase is new to me.   I think it was a pair of  EPNS mounted salts that gave Eric the clue to try the Sheffield metalbasher's factory pattern books.   You can imagine his delight at brushing away all the dust and grime, finding the drawing of his salts and the accompanying note "Blue Sateen Glass by Walsh".

Any chance of a photograph?

Bernard C.  8)
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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2006, 12:28:05 PM »
Here's a photo of my green Sateen rosebowl (lower left of photo) -
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/satin-group.jpg)
My apologies for it being in with a group of other items! It is the only photo I had at the time.
The base is not polished, but it's not a really rough pontil either. More like a swirling together of the green & white layers.
Hope this is of interest!
 :)
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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2006, 10:42:08 AM »
Marinka — Lovely, 100% straight-down-the-middle Walsh Sateen.   The group setting actually gives an idea of the scale.  Thanks.

Bernard C.  8)
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