Topic: Loetz fans and experts, ident required! large Cocktail shaker + glasses

[Andy]

Hi, got this enormous 17" fantastic cocktail shaker and 4 matching glasses at an auction, after a clean, it looks amazing. Im pretty sure its loetz, and ther is a very very faint signature, which i thought was a scratch, after blowing it up and increasing light, i managed to get a photo of it! The glasses have made in Czechoslovakia on the base, and all have a Rockwell silver stamp on the base. I wonder if the glasses are Michael Powolny? Research has found that Rockwell Silver is in the USA around 1907-20, so i presume they imported the glass and then did silvering. I cannot find anything similar by Loetz, any ideas anyone?? Andy.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3922
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3918
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3919
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3921
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3920

[Andy]

I thought id bump this one of mine up again, as maybe any new members may have
an opinion!
Im pretty sure the glasses are Michael Powolny, possibly Tango?
No replies last time, any ideas of signature??, I think it says Loetz!

seasons greetings,
Andy

[Sklounion]

Hi Andy,
There are two conflicting aspects of this enquiry. Rockwell existed 1907-20 (and possibly later). The 1st Czechoslovakian Republic did not come into existence, at least on paper, until October 1918, hostilities ending on 11th of November, and the official state and constitution in 1920. The "Made in Czechoslovakia" mark would have been possible from 1919, but I have no date for its first use. Is it etched?
The signature is very faint, and I wonder if you can manage a picture from a slightly different angle? Difficult to say loetz...
It is clear however that "Tango" is a fairly generic description of this glass, and not all "Tango" was designed by Powolny, or indeed, made by Loetz, and other prestigious makers such as Harrach (Harrachov) are certainly known to have had a "Tango" range, and to have had craftsmen and women, who could have carried out the silver decoration to the pieces that you have.
I take it that the silver fittings are all marked Rockwell?
Regards,
Marcus

[Andy]

Thanks Marcus,
All the silver work on the Shaker and glasses is marked Rockwell,
On the base of the glasses is the Rockwell shield and made in Czechoslovakia,
ive just added thefollowing photo of the clearest marks,

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4381

The marks appear to be a stamp in silver, not etching.
On the shaker, the Rockwell shield is very faint, right in the centre of base, the mark
which i believe reads Loetz is very faint, and the photo is the best i could get even fiddling
with my software, and increasing the light, maybe an expert could fiddle with contrast or
negative or colour to improve?
A couple more photos...
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4383
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4382
and the signature again,
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3918

I should say the signature looks very similar to those shown on Loetz.com identifying page.
Regards and thanks
Andy

[Sklounion]

Hi Andy,
Have you shown these images to Eddy Scheepers?
Eddy is far more capable of advancing this, than I am, "Tango" and Loetz really being out-side my area of research, and knowledge.
Regards,
Marcus

[Sue C]

Hi Andy, it seems that Rockwell did overlaying for a number of companys from Viking to Lenox china in the USA. so maybe one of our American freinds can help?.

[Andy]

Hi Marcus,
funny you should say that, i did send some photos to Eddy at Loetz.com about 6
months ago, i had trouble with reducing my photos, and i think i kept blocking his email
in box, and i never managed to get a photo of the signature to him!
His opinion was it was Probably Bohemian but not Loetz, but im convinced the faint
signature is genuine! I have just emailed him again with this link and a photo of the signature,
and asked him if he wouldnt mind having another look!!
Hopefully i havent blocked his email this time!
Regards Andy

[pamela]

no idea on the glass, but I could read

O & S Y

hope this helps  -  Ivo?

[Glassic]

Looks very different with a cleanup and the other way up.
http://www.dropshots.com/photos/138984/20041113/b_143055.jpg
 

[Andy]

Hi ,
Thanks all, im still convinced its an o e -z and i think an l at the front,heres the link to Loetz.com
with similar and fake ones!
http://www.loetz.com/
and then click on identifying ( all pages have the same url?)
I tried to get more photos last night, but couldnt, fact is its so faint i didnt see it
myself until i examined very closely in sunlight!
Cheers Andy