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« on: November 03, 2006, 02:37:54 PM »
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Can anyone ID these fiery opal footed creamers? I managed to buy 6 of these - most curious to come across a set.

I've seen the colour before on Boston & Sandwich glass, but these are not listed in the B&S book. Timewise I'd say 1870s....
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2006, 03:12:30 PM »
Ivo -

I looked in both Newbound's and Chiarenza's milk glass books and had no luck.

Then I thought it could be an EAPG pattern so I looked in McCain's, but I didn't see it there.

If you think it is American, I would still persue the EAPG angle, it looks like an EAPG pattern in milk glass - JMHO  :wink:


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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2006, 03:43:14 PM »
Thank you for the research - so it isn't just me who is having trubble with this one. I agree that it looks very much like EAPG in milk glass - and the finish would confirm that - though it could have been made in Denmark, Britain, France or Belgium and still look & feel like EAPG.

I have checked Edwards&Carwile, Barlow&Kaiser vol1; all Notleys, Hughes (because they might be custard glasses after all) and several other publications but nothing gives. Next step would be to dive into the pile of Pressglas Korrespondenz - but I would not know where to start. I think I depend on someone who recognises the pattern.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2006, 03:56:28 PM »
Ivo -

I looked through Metz and Edward's also for EAPG patterns.

I can't see all of the pattern because of the glare on your photo but one pattern that looks similar is Stars and Stripes said to be made by both Jenkins and Kokomo Glass.

Edwards has a picture of a large pictcher in his book by Jenkins.  McCain's has the pattern also but shows a different shape creamer. She doesn't specify if it is Jenkins or Kokomo.  I don't think they are the same company but I have to admit EAPG isn't my forte  :wink:


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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2006, 05:54:16 PM »
Found one S&S on e-bay but with a photograph even worse than mine (sorry, the camera is on a trip to Oz and I have to make do with the mobile phone!). Not sure it is the same pattern, but in any case I now have a name to start with and will work from there. Thank you Connie you're a star!
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2006, 02:43:53 PM »
After checking Jenks, Luna & Reilly's "Identifying Pattern Glass Reproductions" I  can now be fairly sure this is not Stars & Stripes.

The specialist in France I consulted thinks the item looks American - nothing like this was produced in France.
The Danish book has nothing similar.

And so the plot thickens.
I'll keep you informed.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2006, 03:02:40 AM »
Ivo:

I have looked through all 8 volumes of Kamm series of glass pitcher books which likely represents over 1,000 creamers and pitchers most in the 1860 to the early 1900s period.  There were three that had a shape similar to your example, one of which was English according to her.  The only pattern similar was the Stars & Stripes creamer which is a completely different shape.

There are some 1970 era American creamers with a similar shape - some of them with carnival treatments that I think are products of either Indiana or maybe Imperial but your creamer looks older than that.

The fact that you got six all at once in Europe would lead me to a continental source.  I can see that one might get there from the US without the matching sugar but six seems a stretch.  I think the Presglas Korrespondenz is the route to go but will be a daunting task.

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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2006, 06:38:44 AM »
Thank you Sid that is very useful information. It had occurred to me that 6 copies of such an item is highly unlikely, but the location I got it from has yielded strange surprises before - including 18th ct. English glasses.

I'll follow your advice, make new photographs and get them to Geiselberger - maybe one of the PK readers will get an AHA-Erlebnis.... :P
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2006, 10:52:14 AM »
Sid -

In Kamm's do they have pictures of both Jenkins Glass  and Kokomo Glass Stars & Stripes creamers?

I found reference in McCain's that both company's made the same pattern.  I think the creamer shown in all the books is Jenkins.

I wonder what was the shape of the Kokomo creamer?  Was it the same?


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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2006, 03:20:21 PM »
Connie:

The Kokomo Glass MFG. Co. was founded in 1900 and began production in 1901.  The management team included David.C Jenkins, Sr., and his son David C. Jenkin, Jr..  In 1905, the elder Jenkins retired due to poor health.  The company was re-organized as D.C. Jenkins Glass Co. in 1906. Different company names, same factory, likely same product.  

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