Topic: Crystal Jar Dresser Jar? Humidor

[KSilverMoore]

Hi everyone,

I have another puzzle on my hands--or rather, a piece that's out of my range of knowledge. It's a beautiful crystal jar with a ground lid and base. It seems European to me and probably Victorian, but I don't typically collect crystal and 85% of my collection is American, so I'm out of my comfort zone. Any idea of who the maker might be? And what kind of jar is it? I thought it might be a dresser jar or a humidor. Check out pictures 4 through 7 in my album. Thanks in advance for your help!

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4149

[Glen]

Could be a pickle jar. I haven't had the chance to check the pattern / maker, but I am just making a quick response re. shape.

Glen

[vintagerose]

Is there any mark on the bottom?
It looks like it could be Victorian, #1425 by A.H. Heisey 1933-53 Victorian is usually marked with an H inside a diamond.
They made a 3 ounce oil bottle.
Duncan made a similar pattern called Duncan Block.  
I can't tell how big your bottle is, so I thought I would through this in the pot.
Vintagerose

[KSilverMoore]

First of all, thanks for mentioning that it could be a pickle jar. I hadn't thought of that!

Secondly, I'd considered Heisey's Victorian pattern, which really does look strikingly like my jar, but I'd kind of ruled it out because I didn't think they made a jar like this or any kind of jar in this pattern. Plus, the ground bottom and ground lid didn't seem like Heisey to me--at least nothing I'd seen before. Am I wrong about this? (I'll try to upload a photo of the bottom of my jar sometime today. It might be of help.)

I'd also seen a biscuit jar in Dugan's Block on Ebay and concluded that it couldn't be the same pattern because the bottom of mine is smooth, plain, and ground at the edges, while this one had a radial pattern on the bottom. But then, just now when I was looking at the same listing again, I noticed that its bottom is very similar to the top of my jar. Could this be enough of a similarity to make it the same pattern?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280048552381

I guess my main issue is that my book on EAPG is from the 1970s and does not list every item in a pattern. My local library does have several nice new EAPG books, which I will look at as soon as I can, but I'm wondering if anyone out there could tell me whether there was a pickle jar, dresser jar, or humidor made in Dugan's block pattern. Also, I forgot to list this jar's measurements, which might help determine its purpose-- 5 1/2 inches tall and 3 inches in diameter.

So this might be EAPG after all! Thanks for your help!

[vintagerose]

Yes a picture of the bottom would help, maybe lol........
I do see some detail on the victorian block in my book, & some pieces in the same pattern are plain,,,, go figure.
Also, as I read up, apparently Imperial got ahold of the Victorian molds, and made some pieces in crystal also.  However Victorian pieces should be marked the  with H inside a diamond.
So my best guess is either you do have Duncan block, which I don't have a listing of all the pieces they made, or you have a piece of Victorian made by Imperial, after they removed the Heisey mark. Good luck identifying those, you need a crystal ball.
Vintagerose

[KSilverMoore]

Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it. I am beginning to feel that this is probably Duncan block or perhaps a similar EAPG pattern. I looked at some other Duncan block items on ebay that have ground lids and bottoms, and they just look so similar to my jar. I can't believe I'd ruled it out, so I thank you for making me take a second look!

As to Heisey, I seriously doubt it's their Victorian pattern, since there's no mark (although Heisey didn't always mark their pieces and Imperial did use the diamond H mark for a while before removing it from their molds) and more importantly, it just seems older than from the 1950s or later, with the way its been made and the wear on the bottom.

Some confirmation that Duncan made a jar of this type would be nice, but if I don't hear from anyone, I'll just have to schlep over to the library next week!

Thanks again!

Kristen

[Connie]

I can look in my Duncan book when I get home tomorrow.

[Connie]

Not Duncan or Heisey as far as I can tell from my reference books.

[KSilverMoore]

Thanks for checking Connie! I was really hoping it would be Duncan, but I guess I'll have to keep looking. My big question--Is it American or European? Does anyone have any further insights or know where I should look next? Thanks!

[Sid]

Hello:

Typically these items with the ground glass lid are called apothecary jars by EAPG collectors.  I don't know if that is a collector's term or an original manufacturers term.  I suspect the former.  

These don't seem practical as a pickle jar.  Just think about the disasterous effect of getting sticky pickle juice on that ground glass surface - you would never get the lid off again.

Sid
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