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Help with Frothy BBls Camouflage Bowl - ID?
« on: January 30, 2005, 06:00:18 AM »
Hi Everyone!
In keeping with the weird and unusual, LOL, here's another bowl from my collection that I have no idea where to place it....

http://www.svazzo.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/kidneycamouflage.jpg

At first I thought the piece looked like the Blenko Kidney shaped bowls, but I already took advantage of Cathy's help at the Blenko Collectors website, and she rapidly told me it wasnt Blenko. By the way, thank you Cathy for the rapid responce to my email! She told me it could not be Erickson either.

I also thought about the piece being an experimental Seguso "Macchia" piece, because of the camouflage (greens and browns) on the bowl and the frothy look. I just dont have enough information on Seguso at this point to attribute it to him + the piece looks to be mold made. Unsure if Seguso ever made molds for his pieces, so this is another mystery piece.  :?

Sooo.... I post this new item for your comments and discussion.
Thank you all again!
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2005, 03:11:04 PM »
Hello, I'm afraid I don't know about a maker, but do you think it could be "pate de verre"? I'm no expert, but it has that "look" to me and I believe "pate de verre" requires a mould. Kindest Regards, Sue
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2005, 04:13:51 PM »
by the look of it it is pulegoso, so most likely Italian. Many Italian manufacturers have used Pulegoso (foam) glass which does not require serious technology.  It became popular around the twenties, and has been with us ever since - of course in this item the form says fifties or sixties.
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2005, 06:42:12 PM »
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Hello, I'm afraid I don't know about a maker, but do you think it could be "pate de verre"? I'm no expert, but it has that "look" to me and I believe "pate de verre" requires a mould. Kindest Regards, Sue


Hello Sue, thanks for the comment!
Could you tell me what "pate de verre" refers to? Is it just to the colors?

Hi Ivo,
It does have that very distinct Pulegoso style of Murano pieces, but I have never seen one done in a pres-mold form before. I have 2 vases, 1 white irridescent and 1 very large brown one, and they just dont have the same feel as this one. Guess it is because of both coloration it has inside and shape that makes me worry about calling it Murano right away.

I agree with the reference to the 50's-60's. The first thing I thought was a Blenko shape. The piece looks very raw to me, with its unevenness and texture on the outside. I havent seen Murano look like that before.

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2005, 07:27:58 PM »
what makes you say press moulded? Looks more free formed with those flowing contours. Any seams we should know about?
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2005, 08:31:25 PM »
Hi Ivo!
What makes me think it was pressed onto a mold is that the piece doesnt have a polished base or pontil marks. Also when you look at it from the bottom you can see almost a line just under the rim where the glass overflowed? a little, making the rim protrude out on some areas. Hope this is making sence.
I think it was put in a 2 piece mold and pushed from the top to cause that overflow on the rim, and the way the bubbles are elongated around the rim denote something like that happening. I think you can see that clearly in the photo.

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2005, 10:03:25 PM »
I'm almost certain that pulegoso is unsuitable for press forming, and I see no sign of a mould defined shape. It may have been slumped and worked with tongs (is there a technician in the room?) but that would fall under free forming.  At the very least it means that a glass maker has been at work, not a machine operator - and that is good news!
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2005, 10:16:07 PM »
Javier, I had these pics of Blenko freeforms in my photobucket so I thought you might like to see them. The first pic is of a Blenko freeform and a copy, copies were made by other companies, the Blenko freeform is the amber one. The next pic is one of 4 freefroms. The only freeforms I've seen with multi-colors are amberina or jonquil. Some of the jonquil have stripes of red running through them, still the yellow and red combination. Blenko is known for their colors and the colors in this piece are not Blenko colors.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/glass47/freeforms.jpg

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2005, 10:48:45 PM »
I'm a bit out of my depth here re free forming.  However, if one is not fussy about the exact shape of the top edge (which is clearly the case), there is no reason why a mould could not be used as a body (ref. my moulds posting) with a simple plug gently pressed in, possibly simply held in the hand.  The big lump of glass would remain hot long enough for the plug to be squeezed in with little pressure, then withdrawn and perhaps a little free forming done afterwards.

When I was a student, we (unofficially) made ash trays this way.  The plug had four rods sticking out of the sides to form cigarette grooves.  No press of any sort needed.  Final result was, let us say, primitive art!!

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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2005, 11:14:38 PM »
Cathy - Thanks for the photos!

Hi Ivo and Adam -
I would tend to dissagree with you Ivo, cant see anything from the process of making it that would prevent a mold being used. I am almost certain that Adam has described exactly how this bowl was made. It looks like it was pressed from the top and bottom. I guess since i dont have a side or bottom view you guys cant see it well. I'll load some up tomorrow.

Could it be just that, an experimental piece done by a student? Maybe American?

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