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Offline bigdog

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Murano Cenedese Vetri Goblet?
« on: December 22, 2006, 12:39:21 AM »
Can anyone give me info on this 8" goblet?  From my little research is this Gino Cenedese 1950's.  Is it a good piece I haven't seen anything like it.  It has Moses bringing the ten commandments down the mountain.
Thanks, Bryan
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/brywil1970/cenedese.jpg
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/brywil1970/Cenedese1.jpg
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/brywil1970/cenedese2.jpg
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/brywil1970/cenedese3.jpg


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Re: Murano Cenedese Vetri Goblet?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2007, 08:36:51 PM »
You could try contacting them direct?   :)

http://www.cenedesegino.it/eng/form.htm
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Re: Murano Cenedese Vetri Goblet?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2007, 09:17:02 PM »
Sometime the good name factories outsorce part of their production, expecially if not part of their core products, to smaller furnaces.
Considering the kind of glassworks made by Cenedese at that time and the several small furnaces specilized in goblets, I think realistic that the outsourved the production of this goblet, than marked Cenedese with the sticker and sold by the Cenedese sales organization.
Pratically impossible to tell who was the master glassmaker who made the piece.

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Re: Murano Cenedese Vetri Goblet?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2007, 11:45:06 PM »
Hi again Alex,
Thanks so much for the imput on this.
Great info!
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Re: Murano Cenedese Vetri Goblet?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2007, 09:54:28 PM »
Thanks, I did try contacting them with no answer.  Also I was interested in the fact that Gino Cenedese seemed to also be a painter.  So I thought these could be extra special.  Oh well!!

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Re: Murano Cenedese Vetri Goblet?
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2011, 03:43:06 AM »
Hi, I have a somewhat similar themed goblet with Moses holding the 10 commandments on one side and another scene on the reverse.  Baldwin attributed these ruby glass goblets as Moser, made for the Jewish market, but now I am wondering if they might also be an outsourcing by Cenedese.  Does anyone read replies 4 years after the original posting?

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Re: Murano Cenedese Vetri Goblet?
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2011, 01:31:13 PM »
The label on the first goblet appears to be a newer Cenedese label (The label for ARS Cenedese)  I think David pointed out in another forum that Cenedese ARS was trademarked in 2008 by the US.  Here is the link:

http://www.fossilfly.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=3274&highlight=Cenedese+label

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Re: Murano Cenedese Vetri Goblet?
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2011, 02:05:34 PM »
I've been wondering about the Cenedese label. Might it not be a label that's been used for decades?

I say this because I've a few Cenedese pieces with this label that look very 1970s in style, but bear little relation to their current output. But I also have an item or two that are very much in the current catalogue with the same label.

The only other Cenedese label I remember seeing is a plain white printed one, but this also seems applicable to newer/older style stock.

The same goes for the signed/unsigned issue. I've seen it mentioned before that the signature is probably an artifact of post-90s production, but I've got a few that feel a bit older - quite a chintzy (chintzy for me!) 70s/80s-vibe lamp base I have springs to mind.

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Re: Murano Cenedese Vetri Goblet?
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2011, 06:00:17 PM »
I can't believe ARS Cenedese was first used in 2008.  Here is an example of a goblet that has ARS Cenedese built into the design.  I would be quite surprised if this goblet was made recently.

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Re: Murano Cenedese Vetri Goblet?
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2011, 08:32:58 PM »
Hi again, :hi:

I wasn't trying to say that ARS Cenedese was established in 2008 just trade marked in the US in 2008.  I believe David meant this as well.  I also believe ARS Cenedese is older than 2008 (probably not much older).  The Cenedese company has changed it's name several times throughout the history of the company.  Their website doesn't mention any of this or dates as to when the company names were changed throughout the years.  Also the company has been owned by others without the Cenedese name (example:  Cenedese & Albarelli.  Mr. Albarelli was the owner of the company in the early 90's, I believe).  

I also found this in Glass Notes to further complicate the issue:

Seguso Vetri d'Arte
Murano, Venice, Italy (1933 - 1992)
Originally Barovier, Seguso & Ferro. Name changed 1937. Napoleone Barovier, Antonio & his sons Ernesto/Alberto/Archimede Seguso, Luigi Olimpio Ferro (1933-37), Vittorio Zecchin (1933-34), Flavio Poli (1934-63), Alfredo Barbini (c 1936), Mario Pinzoni (1954-71), Angelo Seguso (1950s-85), Bruno Seguso, Vittorio Rigattieri (1968-73), Pino Signoretto (1973-76). Traded as S.A.M. (Sculpture Artistiche Muranesi) 1973-76. Taken over by Gino Cenedese 1993, and production discontinued. Re-established in 1996 as a separate company, but with the glassware (now mainly lighting) actually manufactured by Formia S.r.l. website

(FYI - SVdA is now back together and Glass Notes has not updated this information yet.  The two companies merged and became SVdA in 1993.  This was the time Albarelli owned the property and used his name on Cenedese products (Cenedese & Albarelli and he also used Seguso Vetri d' Arte on the products without his name being on the label.  I believe at that time the company used older designs from Cenedese and SVdA and reproduced them so not everything from this company that looks old really is.  Many modern Murano companies make reproductions and this can get tricky).  I know this doesn't relate to ARS Cenedese but I thought I would add it in to point out the fact that the company has changed names and owners over the years and reproductions have been made.)

Here is also some history from Murano Magic: (It doesn't mention ARS Cenedese but I believe it was after Albarelli owned the company is when it was changed to ARS Cenedese or at least this is an educated guess.)

http://www.boglewood.com/murano/producers/cenedese.html

Someone chime in if I am wrong or have anything else to add.


tam bam  

P.S. - Sorry to talk about you David, but I had to mention you because I have always trusted your advice regarding glass.  :thup:

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