Hi again, :hi:
I wasn't trying to say that ARS Cenedese was established in 2008 just trade marked in the US in 2008. I believe David meant this as well. I also believe ARS Cenedese is older than 2008 (probably not much older). The Cenedese company has changed it's name several times throughout the history of the company. Their website doesn't mention any of this or dates as to when the company names were changed throughout the years. Also the company has been owned by others without the Cenedese name (example: Cenedese & Albarelli. Mr. Albarelli was the owner of the company in the early 90's, I believe).
I also found this in Glass Notes to further complicate the issue:
Seguso Vetri d'Arte
Murano, Venice, Italy (1933 - 1992)
Originally Barovier, Seguso & Ferro. Name changed 1937. Napoleone Barovier, Antonio & his sons Ernesto/Alberto/Archimede Seguso, Luigi Olimpio Ferro (1933-37), Vittorio Zecchin (1933-34), Flavio Poli (1934-63), Alfredo Barbini (c 1936), Mario Pinzoni (1954-71), Angelo Seguso (1950s-85), Bruno Seguso, Vittorio Rigattieri (1968-73), Pino Signoretto (1973-76). Traded as S.A.M. (Sculpture Artistiche Muranesi) 1973-76. Taken over by Gino Cenedese 1993, and production discontinued. Re-established in 1996 as a separate company, but with the glassware (now mainly lighting) actually manufactured by Formia S.r.l. website
(FYI - SVdA is now back together and Glass Notes has not updated this information yet. The two companies merged and became SVdA in 1993. This was the time Albarelli owned the property and used his name on Cenedese products (Cenedese & Albarelli and he also used Seguso Vetri d' Arte on the products without his name being on the label. I believe at that time the company used older designs from Cenedese and SVdA and reproduced them so not everything from this company that looks old really is. Many modern Murano companies make reproductions and this can get tricky). I know this doesn't relate to ARS Cenedese but I thought I would add it in to point out the fact that the company has changed names and owners over the years and reproductions have been made.)
Here is also some history from Murano Magic: (It doesn't mention ARS Cenedese but I believe it was after Albarelli owned the company is when it was changed to ARS Cenedese or at least this is an educated guess.)http://www.boglewood.com/murano/producers/cenedese.html
Someone chime in if I am wrong or have anything else to add.
P.S. - Sorry to talk about you David, but I had to mention you because I have always trusted your advice regarding glass. :thup: