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Offline Glen

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Inwald or Hortensja? Whodunnit?
« on: January 10, 2007, 06:30:09 PM »
I have finished (for now - as it will surely need adding to / correcting etc) two articles on items that have been attributed to Inwald but that I now believe were actually made by Hortensja. If anyone is interested (lots of photos and catalogue extracts to ponder) the two articles are here. You can also get into them directly off my home page.

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Hortensja_PINWHEEL.html

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Hortensja_DIAMONDCUT.html

If anyone has any observations, corrections and so on, please let me know.
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Re: Inwald or Hortensja? Whodunnit?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2007, 06:55:31 PM »

I have only one observation, Glen........................ :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: WOW!!!

Some serious research, valuable information, and great photos.

Well done.   :hug: (and very many thanks, as always)
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Re: Inwald or Hortensja? Whodunnit?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2007, 08:03:47 PM »
Glen, that's again smashing! Thank you!
However, I shall never understand the Pinwheel  >:D
Can you please or anyone else here tell which the pinwheel is?

I'm sure none of my glasses is a Pinwheel

http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/02250.html

I see the Hortensja 'diamond star' on mine as pictured in the second row of your
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Hortensja_PINWHEEL.html

but then, when I think, finally I have got it: No, you do name the pinwheel again to be Hortensja, not the diamond star as before
I am really confused, sorry Glen - help please  :o
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Re: Inwald or Hortensja? Whodunnit?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2007, 08:15:40 PM »
Pamela - this piece of yours....
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/02250.html
is this Pinwheel piece at the top of the page
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Hortensja_PINWHEELothers.html

The name "Pinwheel" was given by Carnival Glass collectors to this pattern. It was already known as "Derby" (Sowerby's 2414) and Inwald's version of it had been named "Picadilly" by the marketer Markhbeinn.

Three glass makers produced this pattern: Hortensja, Inwald and Sowerby. But there are differences between each one, and that is what I have tried to show in the article.

I think my language and terminology may be confusing you Pamela. My apologies if that is the case. 

Della - thank you, thank you.

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Re: Inwald or Hortensja? Whodunnit?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2007, 08:28:14 PM »
Glen please, WHAT is a pinwheel please? I thought it's the needled star of Inwald and Sowerby. Hortensja has got these diamonds of my glass. And, please forgive me, how about the rims? Mine have 7/3 and the center one of 3 is higher than all other - beg to apologize my queries, difficult for me to describe in german  :'(
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Re: Inwald or Hortensja? Whodunnit?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2007, 08:52:34 PM »
Pamela, I'm so sorry if I confuse you. "Pinwheel" is just the name given to the whole pattern. (A pinwheel is also a "spinning star" motif).

I don't know about the rims - I am only able to work from the catalogue illustrations for the piece that you have (I don't have one myself).

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Re: Inwald or Hortensja? Whodunnit?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2007, 08:58:41 PM »
Glen, as ever, erudite and very well written. 

Thanks for making this info available to us all.



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Re: Inwald or Hortensja? Whodunnit?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2007, 09:09:47 PM »
Well, Glen, if the Pinwheel is not the star that my bowls haven't got... I do like to ask everyone here  ;D
I resume: we have the same star four times in most shapes
mine have got the diamonds in between (pattern 258) http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Hortensja_PINWHEEL.html
yours have got the, as I thought so called pin wheel, instead
 ???
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Re: Inwald or Hortensja? Whodunnit?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2007, 06:46:06 AM »
Glen

Wonderful piece of research, were do you find these catalouges, must look out for this pattern.

Tony H in NZ


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Re: Inwald or Hortensja? Whodunnit?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2007, 07:04:51 AM »
Glen,

Congratulations! Well done!

That base reminds me of that little marigold vase someone asked about, that looked like a straight sided Crown 'petaloid' pattern. Might it be Hortensja as well?


 

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