Topic: Inwald or Hortensja? Whodunnit?

[Lustrousstone]

Brilliant now I can actually read it here at work.  I suppose the question with so many of these similar designs was who had the idea in the first place. Everywhere I look it seems that so many glass designs are variants on something else of the same/similar period. I suppose I just hadn't realised it was so prevalent. It really struck home when I spotted a familiar sugar bowl with quite an unusual design on one of Glen's Sowerby CDs. I looked at mine, which I then realised was the one with a Jules Lang rgd no, and looked at the Sowerby one. The similarities are great and the differences quite subtle!

[Glen]

Christine - I agree with all you say. So many "look-alike" patterns are in existence, and often there may be little differences but we don't actually notice them. It's not made any easier either, when some makers actually altered a design to fit a specific shape. For example, Brockwitz used their "Curved Star" (they called it "Zurich") on a host of different shapes, and totally altered the motifs and proportions etc. yet all the shapes and pattern variants were classed as "Zurich".

We might actually be on the trail of where the Diamond Cut design originated, thanks to something that our Cathy B has uncovered. More on this as it unfolds...

Cathy - many thanks. Good point about that little vase, I guess we need to start doing some more thinking 

Tony - cheers! The Hortensja catalogue was discovered by an English couple who were living in Poland. We aim to put it into the public domain (may take a little bit of time to get it all done, but it's on its way).

Lynne - many thanks for your kind words.

Pamela - I'm not completely sure how to answer you. I must have confused you somehow, and my apologies (the language problem). I believe that your pieces are "Pinwheel" - and are Hortensja.

[Sue C]

Just a heads up for Glen, Ebay item no 200066242600, described as 9" carnival glass pinwheel, purpl, silver, blue.

[Glen]

Thanks Sue, that's thoughtful of you. That eBay vase is actually a modern one made by the L. E. Smith Glass Co. in the USA. It's a spin-off of the sought after Millersburg "Ohio Star" vase (mucho $$$ for that one 

[Sue C]

Hi Glen, i thought it was a bit ,what i call "clean" the colour is very blue, so is it described wrongly as pinwheel?

[Glen]

Sue - yes it is described wrongly as "Pinwheel". Most Carnival collectors would refer to it as the contemporary "Ohio Star" vase by Smith.

L. E. Smith simply referred to it as their #409 nine inch vase! According to Rose Presznick (writing in the early 1970s) it is an old McKee mould. However, the pattern is almost identical to a Millersburg carnival vase called "Ohio Star".

[Glen]

I've added a page to the Diamond Cut feature that includes some archive ads from the British Pottery Gazette and also some from Oz.

Many thanks to Cathy B for her input and help.

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Hort_DiCut_CROWNCRYSTAL.html

[Anne]

Wow Glen, thank you, more fascinating research here. I'm late coming to read this thread as I've been catching up with other stuff and dipping in and out of the board, but this thread needed more than a fleeting visit to take it all in. As the owner of  a (non-Carnival) Sowerby Derby dish I am amazed at the similarities in these patterns - and I'm going to recheck my bowl now just to make sure it really is Sowerby!

Thank you again. 

[Pip]

Just wanted to add my praise to the pile - even though this isn't my area of collecting I can appreciate the tremendous work that's gone into it - brilliant!  Congratulations Glen 

[Glen]

Pip and Anne - I just want to say thank you.