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Offline Andy

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I couldnt resist these lovely Val st Lambert crystal items at a recent auction, they were listed as Danish glass dressing table items! but both signed Val st Lambert!
I expect they are circa 1950s, but does anyone have a view on the use of them?
The decanter is too big for perfume, 7inches , and the dish is 3 1/2 inches.

Dressing table or Dining table?? Any views?

Thanks Andy
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(of course ideas on date and designer, very welcome! as of course are opinions
from the gentlemen on the board)
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Re: Val St Lambert ,help from the ladies, are they for dressing table?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2007, 04:07:58 PM »
Well, I could be wrong, but I would say the "decanter" is a cologne bottle, and the covered jar is a paste/pomade jar. Both boudoir (dressing table) items IMHO.
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Re: Val St Lambert ,help from the ladies, are they for dressing table?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2007, 08:25:04 PM »
Hi,I would say they are for mens dressing area.Cologne bottle and hair cream pot.


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Re: Val St Lambert ,help from the ladies, are they for dressing table?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2007, 09:54:20 PM »
Hmmm thanks, a mans dressing table! it sounds possible, although not like mine, but people
in the past were a lot more sophisticated than i am now! A can of deoderant and some
paracetamols is all ive got! (oh and some Hi Karate of course)
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Re: Val St Lambert ,help from the ladies, are they for dressing table?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2007, 10:05:58 PM »
In old catalogues that I have studied (for form, function and shape) I have never seen any "men's dressing table" items!!
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Re: Val St Lambert ,help from the ladies, are they for dressing table?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2007, 02:37:40 AM »
could that be reverse sexism, I ponder. Not for an excessive period of course. But, should not men's be pomade.
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Re: Val St Lambert ,help from the ladies, are they for dressing table?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2007, 02:40:29 AM »
It IS Saturday night (oops, morning 03:37 here mislead y Windows indicating Saturday - so for the pedants it is actually Friday's night.) My excuse is is a fine 8 year old Pastis. Yes, moderators can let their hair down and present a semblance of human(ness).
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Re: Val St Lambert ,help from the ladies, are they for dressing table?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2007, 10:42:08 AM »
 ;D
I'm not positive about dates of periods, (Edwardian/Victorian etc.) but I did watch some tv programmes about folk trying to live in Edwardian houses using nothing but what was available at the time.

All the toiletries were for men.
Men could purchase their own scented soap, while women had to make their own smelly stuff at home, out of tallow.
Men had hair products - macassar, which is why they had to invent anti-macassars, to protect the furniture from their greasy gunk.
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Re: Val St Lambert ,help from the ladies, are they for dressing table?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2007, 10:54:36 AM »
My point was really that boudoir or toilet sets aka dressing table sets were unisex. In other words, they were not described as "mens" or "womens" but were simply described according to the intended function.

(Edited to add: and the covered jar could of course be a powder jar).
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Re: Val St Lambert ,help from the ladies, are they for dressing table?
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2007, 12:20:14 AM »
I think that retailers also often play a part in this! There are many variant models available from the factories for some patterns, In general shops were not obliged to buy 'boxed sets' but individual items and so they were probably retailed in different sets comprising some of the same items, likewise smaller shops will have stocked just a few models and larger stockists may have had a complete selection, from which a 'set' could be assembled.

It's hard to imagine a cologne bottle of this (apparent) size (and weight) without a suitable applicator (or an extended stopper). Usually a bottle that can be shaken into the hand or onto a handkerchief would be somewhat smaller and lighter than this would appear to be.

A careful look for any lip on the decanter might yield a clue about it's designer's intended function. But at the end of the day it's worth remembering that many such items were considered 'multifunctional'.
Given the Belgian connection it could be an absinthe decanter and a bowl for the sugar cubes! ;-)
or a vinegar bottle and a pot for grandma's dentures! ;-) or ....

(whoops, sorry for being silly towards the end!)

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